CBreezy

Take off your tin foil hat. ALPA national is an association of unions.

Scott Stoops

ok. You really are a great detective. And. What have I said that isn't true? Amazing how candid this gets when we use our names. So...and.

Scott

Scott Stoops

What exactly do you think a union does? Why does it exist? Why did your fellow pilots fight to create them? Why does the government recognize them? Why does industry fight against and attempt to destroy them? Silly. That's your perspective. Ufb.

Scott

Riverside

Why thank you. After careful review, I'm going to say you like adding your name at the end of each post.

sweetholyjesus

I don't think you understand my question. You say why does IT exist, while I say why do THEY exist under the banner of one while they act on their own (often at the expense of their counterparts)? That is what I find silly. And the fact that one group represents pilots from both mainline and the regionals (basically A vs. B scale) at the same time is even more silly. AND the fact that regional pilots pay money to an association for this type of "representation" is just, well you get where I'm going.

If an airline's pilot group is to be unionized (which I think it should be), then maybe it should have it's own union and not collaborate (and pay money to) an association that does little to protect its interests. Of course in magical fairy land one union (or association) would have one contract and one pay scale, and represent their group as a whole...but I guess that doesn't make sense in today's world?

sweetholyjesus

Completely agree.

dupe

Good luck getting that to a floor vote in the House much less convincing 218 Congressmen, 51 Senators, and one President that threatening the commerce of an entire nation is worth allowing a very small group to exercise self.

The current national trend is against organized labor

iFlyRC

ALPA national is an association for local ALPA unions. PSA ALPA has nothing to do with Mesa ALPA or Envoy ALPA. If ALPA national was a union that represented every ALPA pilot, we would all have global seniority numbers, one list. Go chew on that for a bit... The implications that would have... The **** fight that would create.

Nevets

ALPA is not a union. It's an association of twenty-something independent unions. Each individual MEC uses the resources of the association at their discretion for their own purposes. Once you understand that, you'll understand the difference.

But ALPA was created, first, for the betterment of safety. If all airline pilots were paying dues under one association (or union), they would have more leverage in the halls of congress, the White House, the judiciary, the nmb, TSA, dhs, fbi, etc. ALPA is, first and foremost, an aviation safety advocate. And we should all feel compelled to improve safety first. We do that by uniting under one association/Union. The bargaining and job protections should be secondary and tertiary.

pagey

If only this was true of mgmt as well as ALPA maybe it would be more of a level playing field.