Jumpseat Ethics?
09-22-2015, 08:41 PM
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Jumpseat Ethics?
Last week I had one of our own SkyWest management pilots that needed to get to DEN for some meeting on my plane, we were pretty full. I had a main line Delta guy that was requesting the jump seat. It was looking like our management guy was going to take the jump to go to the company meeting and leave the Delta guy stranded. In the end there was an empty seat that management took and we had the Delta guy in the jump.
The Delta guy said he's been hearing a lot of SkyWest people requesting the jump on main line for SkyWest company business and he felt it was unethical.
I kinda agree with him.
I don't think the jump seat should be used to get to meetings or training or whatever, I think the company should make those arrangements?
Your thoughts?
The Delta guy said he's been hearing a lot of SkyWest people requesting the jump on main line for SkyWest company business and he felt it was unethical.
I kinda agree with him.
I don't think the jump seat should be used to get to meetings or training or whatever, I think the company should make those arrangements?
Your thoughts?
09-22-2015, 09:03 PM
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Jump-seat privileges should not be used for company business and especially when flying on another airline. Allowable J/S company business would normally be line checks etc. The company should use positive space tickets on their own system or buy a ticket when it's on someone else. Flagrant misuse of the J/S may lead to the loss of the privilege. However, when it comes to an individual airline, it depends on the contract/policy in place for using it for travel for company business (their own employees). Some will clearly state that company business travel gets a seat in the back while others may not be very clear. I am not so sure it's that easy to determine the true nature of the travel always. Someone could easily say they were going to XYZ to visit.....
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09-22-2015, 09:11 PM
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It is terrible etiquette to use the jumpseat to travel on company business. The JS is for commuter travel, not for deadheads or official company business. And had the Delta pilot gotten bumped he would probably would have written his jumpseat committee. Those kind of events need to be tracked and can have serious consequences on your company's JS agreements.
In the past year I've witnessed several pilots try to take the JS while on some form of company travel, and every single one of them were SkyWest employees. One DH even knocked me out of the JS on my commute home (SKW metal) and I had to pay for a hotel room.
I don't know what they are putting in the water over there but that is very poor form, and it needs to stop. It's bad for the industry.
In the past year I've witnessed several pilots try to take the JS while on some form of company travel, and every single one of them were SkyWest employees. One DH even knocked me out of the JS on my commute home (SKW metal) and I had to pay for a hotel room.
I don't know what they are putting in the water over there but that is very poor form, and it needs to stop. It's bad for the industry.
09-22-2015, 09:14 PM
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I was bumped from a Skywest jumpseat by a deadheading captain once. My first question when the gate agent asks if I can take the jump when I'm deadheading is "are there any non-revs? If so, are they cabin-only?" that's pretty much the only time I'll do it. The captain was nice and I was talking to her beforehand, sounded like that was a normal thing...not normal where I fly.
I will happily give up a seat in the back for a paying passenger or cabin-only pass traveler but never at the expense of a commuter.
I will happily give up a seat in the back for a paying passenger or cabin-only pass traveler but never at the expense of a commuter.
09-22-2015, 09:20 PM
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I was bumped from a Skywest jumpseat by a deadheading captain once. My first question when the gate agent asks if I can take the jump when I'm deadheading is "are there any non-revs? If so, are they cabin-only?" that's pretty much the only reason I'll do it. The captain was nice and I was talking to her beforehand, sounded like that was a normal thing...not normal where I fly.
09-22-2015, 09:23 PM
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Hopefully you were able to report that to your JS committee. That's not normal anywhere else that I'm aware. If enough of these instances are reported the company could have their reciprocal agreements suspended, and hopefully force them to figure out how the rest of the industry operates.
09-22-2015, 09:28 PM
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I don't want to hijack the OP's thread and question but what about denying the jumpseat to someone because of the carrier they fly for? I mean, there's an etiquette to jumpseating, but if you have a recip agreement - you take them, right? Barring something egregious anyway.
09-22-2015, 10:11 PM
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I don't want to hijack the OP's thread and question but what about denying the jumpseat to someone because of the carrier they fly for? I mean, there's an etiquette to jumpseating, but if you have a recip agreement - you take them, right? Barring something egregious anyway.
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09-22-2015, 10:29 PM
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No, I'm with you. However, Ive flown with some grumpy old ****s who say they'll deny Skywest jumpseaters. While I have yet to actually have a situation where that has happened, it'd be nice to get an idea on what the real consequences are of some d!ck turning away someone from a carrier with a recip agreement.
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