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Old 09-15-2015, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pitpalacul
This will be the first step toward a national seniority list. I am all for it.
LOL !!!

That is the most laughable claim I've read in years here.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotLife4me
Most, almost all regionals are offering a first year incentive. With those incentives it puts first year pay above Envoys.

Nothing constructive to read here.

Please close this thread.
So, because you disagree with the validity of the topic (or more likely dislike the member who started it), you demand it closed. Gotcha.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
So, because you disagree with the validity of the topic (or more likely dislike the member who started it), you demand it closed. Gotcha.
Some more good news for Envoy should be out next week....
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
You don't get it.

What is being discussed right now at Envoy is allowing pilots to bring with them their current pay step instead of starting over at Year One pay.
Exactly. The point is to benefit Envoy. There seems no concern what impact it may have on the regional pilot profession itself or other carriers, just what benefit it has to Envoy pilots, primarily the present ones there who need a strong hiring engine to ensure THEY get to AA ASAP.

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So if a pilot is on pay step 4 at Republic and they get hired at Envoy today, they would be at Envoy's pay step 4 instead of having to start at step 1.
Good for Envoy (especially present Envoy pilots), not so good for Republic if it can't replace them which you know that can't, which..........well, is one of the underlying points, i.e. to not ONLY capitalize on the misfortune of others, but to willingly create an environment to do that.

Originally Posted by Skyvector
Professionals in any other industry in the world are able to take their experience and pay to new companies. Why should pilots be any different? This is (finally) a GREAT thing for our profession and long over due. Keep in mind this would be for PAY only. A newhire would still be "year one" when it comes to bidding, but they would bring with them their current pay.
You're confusing the concept of a National Seniority List where everyone is on the same page at the same time with the advocation of one union leadership to target other union carriers pilots for sole benefit to themselves, but hey..........that's what an Envoy salesmen is supposed to do; Rationalize anything good for him.

Originally Posted by Skyvector
There is no problem here except for the one that exists in eagelfly's twisted mind. And in any case, this isn't official yet. Still a few details to iron out....but if/when this is rolled out at Envoy you can be sure it will be a watershed moment for the airline industry.
Of course you think there's no problem here, YOU think you'll be one of the winners and have warped this obscene idea into something honorable. But then again, considering just how warped many of Envoy's pilots have become over the last year or two even with some of their union reps overtly stumping for their management, you schizoid delusions are of little surprise.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo664
Some more good news for Envoy should be out next week....
Great. Perhaps it will jolt some of you back to an ethical base.

Probably not though.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo664
Some more good news for Envoy should be out next week....
Not that I don't believe you, but I've heard "more good news next week" about once a month for the last 2 years. What is this good news?
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
So, because you disagree with the validity of the topic (or more likely dislike the member who started it), you demand it closed. Gotcha.
Validity of topic? You're argument is purely against envoy pilots. All of the sudden RP pilots are who you are trying to protect? Your concern is laughable. You don't give a rats *** about RP pilots or any other regional pilot. You simply want to watch envoy burn.

Follow this idea to it's ultimate conclusion: If one airline does this, then others will follow suit as the limited supply of pilots jumps from one airline to another. Soon, they'll be almost no one at first year pay unless fresh out of CFI university. RJ's become increasingly expensive to operate thus sending more flying back to MAINLINE. More RJ CA's get hired at said mainlines, more RJ FO's upgrade, etc.

So you're saying you don't want RJ pilots to move on to mainline jobs? Way to look out for their career. You're a real savior!

This idea is a pipedream anyways. I doubt management will sign off on it as long as they can fill classes with 1 year pay new hires. Maybe once that pool truly dries up, they will float this idea.

Topic aside, your reputation is well known on other message boards. You have nothing good to say about envoy or it's union.

Ever.

You're pretty smart and write very skillfully but you have a one track mind and one goal: to watch envoy fail and our union reps with it.

This entire industry is a pyramid/Ponzi scheme. People don't upgrade without new hires to replace them. People don't get off reserve without people to take their place below them.

Get a life, TL.
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by EGL04
Validity of topic? You're argument is purely against envoy pilots. All of the sudden RP pilots are who you are trying to protect? Your concern is laughable. You don't give a rats *** about RP pilots or any other regional pilot. You simply want to watch envoy burn.

Follow this idea to it's ultimate conclusion: If one airline does this, then others will follow suit as the limited supply of pilots jumps from one airline to another. Soon, they'll be almost no one at first year pay unless fresh out of CFI university. RJ's become increasingly expensive to operate thus sending more flying back to MAINLINE. More RJ CA's get hired at said mainlines, more RJ FO's upgrade, etc.

So you're saying you don't want RJ pilots to move on to mainline jobs? Way to look out for their career. You're a real savior!

This idea is a pipedream anyways. I doubt management will sign off on it as long as they can fill classes with 1 year pay new hires. Maybe once that pool truly dries up, they will float this idea.

Topic aside, your reputation is well known on other message boards. You have nothing good to say about envoy or it's union.

Ever.

You're pretty smart and write very skillfully but you have a one track mind and one goal: to watch envoy fail and our union reps with it.

This entire industry is a pyramid/Ponzi scheme. People don't upgrade without new hires to replace them. People don't get off reserve without people to take their place below them.
You obviously only see this from the point of an Envoy pilot with something to gain. Can't argue with gaining, but targeting others to get it ?

I can (and do) argue against that.

Originally Posted by EGL04
Get a life, TL.
Thanks for the advice, I'll take it under advisement. Of course, you may want to reconsider discussion/debate with someone you feel has no "life" in the future as wouldn't that seem kind of silly to do ?

Best of luck to you.
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
You obviously only see this from the point of an Envoy pilot with something to gain. Can't argue with gaining, but targeting others to get it ?

I can (and do) argue against that.
Targeting? We're not sniping the enemy. It's an offer. Don't like it? Stay where you are and keep your QOL.
That's better than PSA's "offer" (or letter to ALPA saying we should be sent with the planes, against our will, language which only applied in a merger situation, lol) to take our pilots with our planes...as a staple.

You happen to write a multiple paragraph protest against that one?


Originally Posted by eaglefly
Thanks for the advice, I'll take it under advisement. Of course, you may want to reconsider discussion/debate with someone you feel has no "life" in the future as wouldn't that seem kind of silly to do ?

Best of luck to you.
Ha, lame...
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Old 09-15-2015, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by EGL04
Validity of topic? You're argument is purely against envoy pilots. All of the sudden RP pilots are who you are trying to protect? Your concern is laughable. You don't give a rats *** about RP pilots or any other regional pilot. You simply want to watch envoy burn.

That's not true! He wants everyone to watch him watching envoy burn. It's all about him and everyone paying attention to him, so I guess in one sense you are right... He does care about all the other pilots, he wants to ensure everyone knows how stupid they've all been.
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