Whats the deal with Flows
09-14-2015, 06:03 PM
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I didn't say "our" 175's. I just said you won't be getting any without a merge.
Ok, sorry.. maybe there is a 3.7% chance you will somehow manage to get some 175's despite scope restrictions/start up costs/another WO already operating them at that point, new domiciles probably needed and all that small stuff. It's a huge longhot, and years away, if that ever happens.
I Think you would just see a PDT/ENY merge before that ever happened.
Ok, sorry.. maybe there is a 3.7% chance you will somehow manage to get some 175's despite scope restrictions/start up costs/another WO already operating them at that point, new domiciles probably needed and all that small stuff. It's a huge longhot, and years away, if that ever happens.
I Think you would just see a PDT/ENY merge before that ever happened.
09-14-2015, 06:59 PM
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I didn't say "our" 175's. I just said you won't be getting any without a merge.
Ok, sorry.. maybe there is a 3.7% chance you will somehow manage to get some 175's despite scope restrictions/start up costs/another WO already operating them at that point, new domiciles probably needed and all that small stuff. It's a huge longhot, and years away, if that ever happens.
I Think you would just see a PDT/ENY merge before that ever happened.
Ok, sorry.. maybe there is a 3.7% chance you will somehow manage to get some 175's despite scope restrictions/start up costs/another WO already operating them at that point, new domiciles probably needed and all that small stuff. It's a huge longhot, and years away, if that ever happens.
I Think you would just see a PDT/ENY merge before that ever happened.
09-14-2015, 07:55 PM
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Oh like the start up costs and the fact someone is already operating the 145s? If they could have split some 175s initially into PDT they certainly would have. You can thank the FAA for preaching moderation for a couple years. You are underestimating the possibilities....
Rather them go there than PSA.
09-15-2015, 06:12 AM
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I'm good right where I am, as I've met my initial goals for the airlines. Yes, I agree about PSA...I almost went there early on and I feel it would have been a mistake. Bottom line is we all will probably be working in the same cockpits one day, and I would hope we have more to talk about than all of this BS.
09-16-2015, 11:26 AM
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Most of them already have, thank you. I'm good right where I am, as I've met my initial goals for the airlines. Yes, I agree about PSA...I almost went there early on and I feel it would have been a mistake. Bottom line is we all will probably be working in the same cockpits one day, and I would hope we have more to talk about than all of this BS.
I'm good right where I am, as I've met my initial goals for the airlines. Yes, I agree about PSA...I almost went there early on and I feel it would have been a mistake. Bottom line is we all will probably be working in the same cockpits one day, and I would hope we have more to talk about than all of this BS.
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09-16-2015, 04:18 PM
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Combined with USair it's over 15000 pilots and I don't know the numbers on the US side but I think they are an even older group.
By sacrificing seniority what I mean is if you are going to get hired at a flow airline you will have to wait many years to get over there. Meanwhile if you go get some PIC and make the effort you could get hired off the street or DAL, UAL a lot faster. Retirements will really start to sky rocket around 2019.
Going the flow route has it's merits.. you may not get hired at all so it can be a sort of insurance policy but will sacrifice some seniority.
Since you ask about best option to AA specifically I would probably play it safe and go to a flow airline but still make the effort to get hired straight off the street. It's an individual choice though. Too many factors like where ya want to live and what not.
09-16-2015, 04:24 PM
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Legacy AA retiring over 5000 in 10 years. 10300 total on the list.
Combined with USair it's over 15000 pilots and I don't know the numbers on the US side but I think they are an even older group.
By sacrificing seniority what I mean is if you are going to get hired at a flow airline you will have to wait many years to get over there. Meanwhile if you go get some PIC and make the effort you could get hired off the street or DAL, UAL a lot faster. Retirements will really start to sky rocket around 2019.
Going the flow route has it's merits.. you may not get hired at all so it can be a sort of insurance policy but will sacrifice some seniority.
Since you ask about best option to AA specifically I would probably play it safe and go to a flow airline but still make the effort to get hired straight off the street. It's an individual choice though. Too many factors like where ya want to live and what not.
Combined with USair it's over 15000 pilots and I don't know the numbers on the US side but I think they are an even older group.
By sacrificing seniority what I mean is if you are going to get hired at a flow airline you will have to wait many years to get over there. Meanwhile if you go get some PIC and make the effort you could get hired off the street or DAL, UAL a lot faster. Retirements will really start to sky rocket around 2019.
Going the flow route has it's merits.. you may not get hired at all so it can be a sort of insurance policy but will sacrifice some seniority.
Since you ask about best option to AA specifically I would probably play it safe and go to a flow airline but still make the effort to get hired straight off the street. It's an individual choice though. Too many factors like where ya want to live and what not.
I hear ya! Great points made here. Would there be any stipulations with flows that prohibit someone from getting hired off the street At any of the big 3? Because I think your right, beating the flows into the seniority list would be a dream, but having a flow as an insurance policy is a good thing as well. Just wondering if one prohibits the othe?
09-16-2015, 06:30 PM
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I hear ya! Great points made here. Would there be any stipulations with flows that prohibit someone from getting hired off the street At any of the big 3? Because I think your right, beating the flows into the seniority list would be a dream, but having a flow as an insurance policy is a good thing as well. Just wondering if one prohibits the othe?
I think a lot of people at Eagle just don't even bother so ya never know.
If your not married to an American airlines "large" base.. I would do the PIC route and go UAL-DAL.
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