Originally Posted by NVUS

Shuttle would have already have been locked in on their price during the last reset round in 2013. Delta extended the contract which means they are still paying the same price. There's nothing to match there that hasn't already been accounted for. Plus we're talking an E-145 and not a CRJ200.

SkyWest Inc - The Delta Connection Agreements also provide that, beginning with the fifth anniversary of the execution of the agreements (September 8, 2010), Delta has the right to require that certain contractual rates under those agreements shall not exceed the second lowest of all carriers within the Delta Connection program. During the fourth quarter of 2010, SkyWest Airlines and Atlantic Southeast reached an agreement with Delta on contractual rates satisfying the 2010 rate reset provision and the second-lowest rate provision and agreed to rates through December 31, 2015. Delta additionally waived its right to require that the contractual rates payable under the Delta Connection Agreements shall not exceed the second-lowest rates of all carriers within the Delta Connection program through December 31, 2015.

And regarding Compass, Mesaba and Colgan: The contract also calls for rates to be reset in 2013 and 2018, similar to Pinnacle’s CRJ-200 contract.

Originally Posted by gojo

Man, I can't follow you. Are you trying to tell me there are different Airline Service Agreements for a E145 and a Crj 200? I don't understand your thinking. They're both 50 seat planes. Furthermore, I never implied that Republic was part of the same agreement so it doesn't matter if they're locked in at a certain rate or not. What does matter is that if the rate reset were to happen Skywest would either have to match the second lowest or possibly give up that flying. Weather it's happened or not adds further proof that Delta has a lot of control over their contract carriers. Your belief that Skywest is untouchable baffles me

Originally Posted by NVUS

Yes, and Delta can find someone to come in and cover all of that flying. Like Republic. Wait. Compass! Oh they dont fly 50-seaters. Um...I guess its Air Wisconsin. Welcome Air Wisconsin to your new Delta contract at Shuttle America prices!

Gee so a n E-175 and a CRJ200 are the same thing? Are an MD80 and a 737 the same thing? How about a A319? I mean, they all seat around 140 people. Am I right?

You make no sense. I make lots of sense. I actually have facts to back up my statements. All you have is.... your opinion, which we all know what those are like because everyone has one.

Originally Posted by gojo

Where are these facts you speak of??? I claerly said an E 145 and a Crj 200. I made no mention of a E 175 or any other type of aircraft. It's a moot point anyways we are discussing contract lift not mainline lift. So if you have the facts that prove a E145 and a CRJ 200 ere drastically different please share? I'm pretty sure they're in the same category as far as Delta is concerned for their contract rates

Originally Posted by NVUS

forgive me, I meant to say, you're telling me an E-145 and a CRJ200 are the same thing. All the other points remain in tact.

Originally Posted by NVUS

forgive me, I meant to say, you're telling me an E-145 and a CRJ200 are the same thing. All the other points remain in tact.

Originally Posted by newhire15

Does anyone think 9E will be spun off to another carrier or do you think Delta will actually hold onto this one like American has with theirs?

Originally Posted by higney85

It's quite obvious that your dealing with CPA/ASA agreements is limited in understanding. Everything is done by seats and block hours. Bottom line being cost and performance metrics, with bonus and penalty aspects.

No, a 737 and MD-88 are not the same. Different range and profile. The 50 seat market is limited to 750NM max and the -200 and -145 DO fall in the same bucket; once again based on block hour cost and contractual metrics. Feel free to argue those points, and I'd love to see your sources and expertise on the matter.

Originally Posted by higney85

With the integration that has happened over the last 18 months, it would be a very difficult separation for 9E from the DL "backbone". The vast majority of systems are integrated, mainly in OCC, now benefits. HR and payroll were the first pieces integrated. It's a subsidiary only by titles. Books are aligning to DL, major functions are DL, DL managers running the show, and DL runs the show overall yielding performance exceeding DL mainline metrics in the most difficult hubs... Which historically were the "kill zones". Any separation would require tremendous effort/cost and negative outcomes to overall performance at this point.