FirstClass

While they may be management types posting this stuff, its not Seabury Group. Trust me those folks would be far more sophisticated.

billyho

Actually they are hoping to grab contract pilots from places like Republic and then they'll go out of existence. AAG has figured it out by knowing that it's now more cost effective to keep the flying in house then paying another airline and farming it out. Why do you think AWAC didn't get locked into another long term deal?? Two year extension only to give PDT time to beef up and start taking over more flying. Republic could be next and more and more show up in our New Hire Classes.

The Flow is GREAT right now but we all should know that it won't stay so pretty and will go up to 7-8 years eventually. However Parker stated that he doesn't want ANY of his WO'ed pilots still at Eagle by 8 years. Continuing to keep Eagle from having lifers and getting them to American. He's already shaved almost all the senior folks at Envoy and Piedmont.

Will it work??? Who knows but right now it is and it's probably better at a WOed right now then a contract carrier when in the past if you were at a WO'ed it basically sucked. Times have changed at American.

Reservist

No one is going to call this guy out?


Everything you said is false.

Republic had proposed rates that were good, their current pay package isn't however the best or even close.

Also there is not such thing as a bonus tax, it is not taxed higher, it may be withheld higher, but not taxed.... It's all income to Uncle Sam.

PilotJ3

Exactly, I'm about to get done with my 5th year. Seems to me that I will upgrade next year and flow in about 3.5. Sooooooo....8.5-9 years into AA is not bad, considering we went thru bankruptcy, RAH & Compass getting e-175s before us and PSA backstabbing the industry.

PeezDog

Lol. You said a "long" 3-4 year upgrade.

deltajuliet

He's a troll.

sqwkvfr

You think so? I think that they fully understand that sites like this are the best way to feed "information" directly to their target audiences, who, quite frankly, lack such sophistication.

FirstClass

Your vision of how it all will go down could happen, I certainly won't argue someone else's logical point of view such as yours. In my view though I don't think its realistic for the majority of Republic pilots to find their way over to another regional if the worst were to happen. How many would be willing to start over? I think the majority would wind up at LCC's, corporate, fractionals, or mainlines. Maybe there will be 500 who go to another regional and start over as an FO. You've got 6 year FO's at RAH now, not many are going to want to sign up for another 5-7 years as an FO at Envoy, heck there are 4 years Envoy FO's on reserve still.

It think it makes more sense to keep the wholly owned regionals flying the feed as long as possible, utilizing carrot flow to keep people in line at a pace set by American (that's whats happening at PSA, until a new deal is reached, 4 interviews per month ie 20 years to AA. But PSA has quick upgrades and direct entry captains to make up for it due to growth for now). It's far easier to just hire Republic pilots into mainline to preserve the feed. I know there is a flow agreement for now, but things can and will change, especially after the 824. I believe most of the upper echelon of Envoy pilots preaching "come here because of the flow" in these forums agree with my point of view but will deny it because they know in order to get their ticket stamped, they need to be replaced by a new sucker.

In the end though, the only thing I know for sure is there isn't enough pilots to staff the regional flying from the void that is coming soon. AA will protect that feed as long as possible, and if that means disregarding the flow to get other pilots in such as skywest and republic, that's what it will be.

If you are AA management and you know you have a pilot problem coming up, what would you do about it to preserve the feed?

FirstClass

Oh I think this site would be a great source. I think if it was seabury people though, it would be harder to detect lol.

sublime259

I think if you want to be taken at least semi-seriously on this forum, then you should familiarize yourself with both the current flow agreements in place (at envoy and PDT) and the hiring forecasts for AA. To think that AA is going to start hiring Republic pilots just to preserve the feed is so far from realistic, that it's laughable. Here are just a few reasons why;

-RAH is part of AAG's regional feed
-AAG is using the flow as a recruitment tool, so in order to get new-hires, the flow has to work
-The few "off-the-street" new-hire spots that are available over the next few years are going to be going to ex-mil and friends/family
-Did I mention RAH is also part of AAG's regional feed (as well as UAL and DAL)?

Your argument that the flow is nothing but a carrot has zero facts to support it. I can't speak for PDT but I know that envoy is FAR from perfect. Our management team is an absolute embaressment. The flow, however, is currently working as advertised. It has to, otherwise this place would go belly up. I think you're just upset that you work for the biggest undercutting company out there (PSA) and have likely doomed your career to either staying at PSA or jumping to a LCC.