Originally Posted by Mesabah

You do realize that AMFA went on strike because if they did, management promised them Delta. oops

Union that struck Northwest gives up at Delta - USATODAY.com

Originally Posted by ClickClickBoom

Not sure what you are getting at. NW pilots in essence stepped over a picket line, you can church it up any way you want, but the reality is their fellow union employees were on strike and they flew planes maintained by scabs.F-ever NW pilot, that flew those planes, they did more damage to the unions of the U.S. Than any airline exec ever did, including Lorenzo. They should have the scarlet S on their foreheads.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

If regional pilots want to see better wages, better get a new union with the interests of REGIONAL pilots first and foremost on it's agenda.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Regional flying is never going back to mainline at any price. The savings on the longevity reset alone is enough to justify it. Plus management gets a great picture of how their future employee is doing in the 121 world. Low pay rates are simply icing on that cake.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Also, the history of regional flying is clouded by ALPA propaganda, DALPA never sold the flying, they sold the paint job.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

AMFA leadership told ALPA leadership to cross the line, because they would be back in a few weeks. I was working at NWA in tech ops at the time, AMFA was also assisting in training the replacement mechanics. I'm simply saying don't confuse our union corruption with their union corruption.

Originally Posted by 24/48

Actually, it's happening already. Look at the routes you guys are doing on the 717. Those were DC9 routes back in the late 80's and early 90's. Then, later in the 90's we saw them transition to the CRJ. At UAL, we are decreasing UAX block hours and increasing UAL block hours and putting 737's and Airbuses on routes that have been flown by RJ's for the last 10-15 years.

Originally Posted by gzsg

I started at a regional and am now in my 30th year as a Delta pilot. (Former Northwest)

To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.

Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.

THE MYTH

The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.

Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."

Do you think this would fly?

The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.

THE PARTY IS OVER

LIABILITY

If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?

If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?

Tens, if not hundreds of millions.

I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?

What does your CEO make?

If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.

Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.

THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM

Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.

One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.

Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.

PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST

LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST

SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST

If you hold your ground, there are two possible outcomes.

1) they will agree to these wages

2) they will move all the flying to mainline

Legacy management cannot have hundreds of cancelled flights every day due to lack of pilots.

You have all the leverage you need and more.

Take a stand and restore the profession forever.

Jerry Fielding

Originally Posted by JoeMerchant

Time for a reality check Jerry,

1. If you have been at NWA/DAL for thirty years, then your generation is part of the problem. Your generation sold scope for pay and work rules. Your generation didn't want to fly "little planes"....As a result, this quagmire called the "regionals" started. Don't blame us.

2. Your management at Delta is making record profits, yet squeezing the regionals by paying us less...which results in less for us to bargain for.

3. Why isn't starting pay at Delta $100K? You guys make tons of money, yet even you can't negotiate $100K starting pay.

...another clueless mainline pilot who has benefited at our expense trying to lecture us "children"....You guys really do think your special don't you...

Originally Posted by 24/48

It is fact, not spin, that indeed DALPA was the first to allow outsourced jet flying under the DL code to be done by other than DALPA pilots. These CRJ's were intended to "open" new markets, in exchange DALPA secured work rules, retirement, etc and couldn't be bothered with "regional jets." Before they knew it, RJ's were replacing the DC9's and 737-200's on certain routes......you know the rest of the story.

Soon enough, because mainline carriers were all envious of the contract quality the DALPA pilots obtained, most were willing to part with scope for the improvements. Since then DALPA has continuously relaxed gauge to be outsourced.......yet again, you know the rest of the story.

However you want to phrase it, DALPA was at the forefront of outsourcing flying they once did.

Originally Posted by Mesabah

Who gives a crap about the past, lets talk about the future.