$100,000 Minimum Regional First Officer
10-28-2015, 08:35 AM
#221
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,198
So you, as a junior PSA puke, are going to tell me how an envoy pilot feels or will feel towards a PSA pilot?! That makes me laugh. You guys really are clueless as to how much you're despised over here.
Sorry, not going to let it go. And neither is anyone else over here. Not when our career earnings were compromised by selfish and greedy pilots such as those that make up PSA.
Sorry, not going to let it go. And neither is anyone else over here. Not when our career earnings were compromised by selfish and greedy pilots such as those that make up PSA.
10-28-2015, 08:46 AM
#222
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,450
About 7 years ago PSA was offered the CRJ 900's but Parker wanted them to fly them at there blended rate. PSA pilots stood up and said HELL NO!!!! Parker turned around and gave the 900's to Mesa. Next time Parker came with back with the 900's and the threat of more going to Mesa so PSA took them.
Envoy was offered the 175 at a lower rate then they wanted and they said HELL NO!!! Parker says fine and sent the 175's to Compass and the threat of more going to Compass. Next time Envoy was offered there deal they took it.
So where's the difference???????? Shouldn't PSA be mad at Mesa??? Shouldn't Envoy be mad at Compass???
One day you might be slinging the gear for a PSA pilot at American then what?? You going to puff your chest up at him then???
You might not like PSA, but one thing I've learned in this business is to not burn bridges. Get over yourself cause ENVOY is not better then PSA or Piedmont.
10-28-2015, 10:12 AM
#223
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 439
Greedy Pilots???? Who PSA or ENVOY????
About 7 years ago PSA was offered the CRJ 900's but Parker wanted them to fly them at there blended rate. PSA pilots stood up and said HELL NO!!!! Parker turned around and gave the 900's to Mesa. Next time Parker came with back with the 900's and the threat of more going to Mesa so PSA took them.
Envoy was offered the 175 at a lower rate then they wanted and they said HELL NO!!! Parker says fine and sent the 175's to Compass and the threat of more going to Compass. Next time Envoy was offered there deal they took it.
So where's the difference???????? Shouldn't PSA be mad at Mesa??? Shouldn't Envoy be mad at Compass???
One day you might be slinging the gear for a PSA pilot at American then what?? You going to puff your chest up at him then???
You might not like PSA, but one thing I've learned in this business is to not burn bridges. Get over yourself cause ENVOY is not better then PSA or Piedmont.
About 7 years ago PSA was offered the CRJ 900's but Parker wanted them to fly them at there blended rate. PSA pilots stood up and said HELL NO!!!! Parker turned around and gave the 900's to Mesa. Next time Parker came with back with the 900's and the threat of more going to Mesa so PSA took them.
Envoy was offered the 175 at a lower rate then they wanted and they said HELL NO!!! Parker says fine and sent the 175's to Compass and the threat of more going to Compass. Next time Envoy was offered there deal they took it.
So where's the difference???????? Shouldn't PSA be mad at Mesa??? Shouldn't Envoy be mad at Compass???
One day you might be slinging the gear for a PSA pilot at American then what?? You going to puff your chest up at him then???
You might not like PSA, but one thing I've learned in this business is to not burn bridges. Get over yourself cause ENVOY is not better then PSA or Piedmont.
That being said, use that rationale when you have this same convo in indoc. Seriously. You fail to mention that while we did say no to 175's at lower rates, we also said no to 900's at b-scale rates, rates that PSA was all too happy to accept. Did I also mention that PSA's MEC asked AAG for our pilots along with our planes? Oh and one HUGE thing I also forgot, the reason why we eventually had to say yes was because any leverage that was had in the regional industry was destroyed by PSA "lowering the bar."
Again, have this same exact conversation in indoc and report back. I'm sorry if you're upset that envoy pilots don't like PSA pilots but that is reality. You think I'm harsh on here? You should hear my coworkers on the line. Again. Agree with me or not but that is the reality we're in. It's a damn shame I'll ever have to share a cockpit with a PSA pilot but I've accepted that it is a likely reality.
10-28-2015, 10:16 AM
#224
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2014
Posts: 480
Ok buddy, easy on the use of question marks, you sound like you're going to blow a gasket.
That being said, use that rationale when you have this same convo in indoc. Seriously. You fail to mention that while we did say no to 175's at lower rates, we also said no to 900's at b-scale rates, rates that PSA was all too happy to accept. Did I also mention that PSA's MEC asked AAG for our pilots along with our planes? Oh and one HUGE thing I also forgot, the reason why we eventually had to say yes was because any leverage that was had in the regional industry was destroyed by PSA "lowering the bar."
Again, have this same exact conversation in indoc and report back. I'm sorry if you're upset that envoy pilots don't like PSA pilots but that is reality. You think I'm harsh on here? You should hear my coworkers on the line. Again. Agree with me or not but that is the reality we're in. It's a damn shame I'll ever have to share a cockpit with a PSA pilot but I've accepted that it is a likely reality.
That being said, use that rationale when you have this same convo in indoc. Seriously. You fail to mention that while we did say no to 175's at lower rates, we also said no to 900's at b-scale rates, rates that PSA was all too happy to accept. Did I also mention that PSA's MEC asked AAG for our pilots along with our planes? Oh and one HUGE thing I also forgot, the reason why we eventually had to say yes was because any leverage that was had in the regional industry was destroyed by PSA "lowering the bar."
Again, have this same exact conversation in indoc and report back. I'm sorry if you're upset that envoy pilots don't like PSA pilots but that is reality. You think I'm harsh on here? You should hear my coworkers on the line. Again. Agree with me or not but that is the reality we're in. It's a damn shame I'll ever have to share a cockpit with a PSA pilot but I've accepted that it is a likely reality.
10-28-2015, 10:28 AM
#225
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 439
I feel bad for anyone that has to share a cockpit with you period. Ever. No matter where they come from or what they flew. You're an extremely bitter person who only points fingers at everyone else. An astronaut couldn't do any right by you because he came from the AirForce and not Envoy. It's pathetic.
10-28-2015, 10:42 AM
#226
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,450
Ok buddy, easy on the use of question marks, you sound like you're going to blow a gasket.
That being said, use that rationale when you have this same convo in indoc. Seriously. You fail to mention that while we did say no to 175's at lower rates, we also said no to 900's at b-scale rates, rates that PSA was all too happy to accept. Did I also mention that PSA's MEC asked AAG for our pilots along with our planes? Oh and one HUGE thing I also forgot, the reason why we eventually had to say yes was because any leverage that was had in the regional industry was destroyed by PSA "lowering the bar."
Again, have this same exact conversation in indoc and report back. I'm sorry if you're upset that envoy pilots don't like PSA pilots but that is reality. You think I'm harsh on here? You should hear my coworkers on the line. Again. Agree with me or not but that is the reality we're in. It's a damn shame I'll ever have to share a cockpit with a PSA pilot but I've accepted that it is a likely reality.
That being said, use that rationale when you have this same convo in indoc. Seriously. You fail to mention that while we did say no to 175's at lower rates, we also said no to 900's at b-scale rates, rates that PSA was all too happy to accept. Did I also mention that PSA's MEC asked AAG for our pilots along with our planes? Oh and one HUGE thing I also forgot, the reason why we eventually had to say yes was because any leverage that was had in the regional industry was destroyed by PSA "lowering the bar."
Again, have this same exact conversation in indoc and report back. I'm sorry if you're upset that envoy pilots don't like PSA pilots but that is reality. You think I'm harsh on here? You should hear my coworkers on the line. Again. Agree with me or not but that is the reality we're in. It's a damn shame I'll ever have to share a cockpit with a PSA pilot but I've accepted that it is a likely reality.
It just fun calling you out on the bs you're throwing at PSA. Did you know ENVOY was trying to steal all of Piedmont flow slots? hahahahahahahah Get real. Believe me when I go to American in a few months the last I'll be discussing is Piedmont, PSA and Envoy. If I'm in class and someone starts to talk about it I'll just shake my head and know the dude/gal is a total loser.
I could care less if you hate PSA. But I won't let you come on here and act like you and EVNOY are any better cause you aren't. Hate away!!
10-28-2015, 10:46 AM
#227
Happy at PDT
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 983
Envoy folks are no different than any other regional pilot out there, plain and simple. If you are looking for an apology from a PDT, PSA, or any other pilot you are never going to get it. I could care less what anyone thinks or gossips about. Get over it, so we have something else to talk about when we are sharing a cockpit. That is what a professional would do...but hey if you want to keep swinging your d's around, expect to be treated like d's. Now back to why we should be making 100k as FO's....ohhh riiight we are professionals...aha!
10-28-2015, 10:53 AM
#228
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,450
Envoy folks are no different than any other regional pilot out there, plain and simple. If you are looking for an apology from a PDT, PSA, or any other pilot you are never going to get it. I could care less what anyone thinks or gossips about. Get over it, so we have something else to talk about when we are sharing a cockpit. That is what a professional would do...but hey if you want to keep swinging your d's around, expect to be treated like d's. Now back to why we should be making 100k as FO's....ohhh riiight we are professionals...aha!
10-28-2015, 11:16 AM
#229
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,198
Yep! This clown thinks we're going to go to indoc at mainline and talk about this??? hahahahahahahahahah I'll be talking about what equipment I can fly with the most days off and the easiest commute. I could give a rats a$$ about PSA or ENVOY, MESA, COMMUTAIR, SKYWEST, REPUBLIC.. etc etc etc.
10-28-2015, 11:52 AM
#230
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Qualifications being equal, I'd like to think any pilots in charge of mainline hiring would choose guys who've more positively impacted the industry than not. I'm not saying blacklist employees of recently unpopular airlines, but it would be preferable to hire someone who went on strike at Comair over the Freedom A-listers and the initial cadre at GoJet.
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