$100,000 Minimum Regional First Officer
08-15-2015, 04:07 PM
#12
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08-15-2015, 05:24 PM
#14
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Here here!!! Your value is what you define it as! This profession is in the toilet and it doesn't have to be. People who liken flying an airliner to playing a video game or driving a bus do not have a grasp on reality. Do not fall into the self fulfilling prophecy that you are worth $20,000. We need to make this a respectable well compensated profession again!!
You are not a bus driver! We can do better!
This is a real job!! It should be a real career!! Let our compensation be commensurate with our responsibilities!!
What we need is a regional pilots union, with regional pilots interests in mind... Then we need the regionals to go away.
You are not a bus driver! We can do better!
This is a real job!! It should be a real career!! Let our compensation be commensurate with our responsibilities!!
What we need is a regional pilots union, with regional pilots interests in mind... Then we need the regionals to go away.
08-15-2015, 05:35 PM
#15
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I started at a regional and am now in my 30th year as a Delta pilot. (Former Northwest)
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
If you hold your ground, there are two possible outcomes.
1) they will agree to these wages
2) they will move all the flying to mainline
Legacy management cannot have hundreds of cancelled flights every day due to lack of pilots.
You have all the leverage you need and more.
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
To some, I'm sure it sounds crazy that the minimum starting salary for a first officer in a 50 seat jet needs to be $100,000 and $160,000 for a first year captain.
Open your mind and embrace the value of your education, training and experience.
THE MYTH
The regionals can't afford to pay those wages.
Imagine jet fuel goes to $4.00 a gallon. Your management says to the supplier, "we cannot afford $4.00 per gallon, you will have to accept $2.00 per gallon."
Do you think this would fly?
The supply of pilots was so strong that management got used to paying us little to nothing.
THE PARTY IS OVER
LIABILITY
If a $750,000 per year surgeon accidentally kills a patient, what is the liability?
If the pilots of a 50 seat jet make a mistake and kill 53 passengers and crew, what it the liability? Why is the cost?
Tens, if not hundreds of millions.
I ask you, what other job has this kind of responsibility? This kind of pressure?
What does your CEO make?
If he makes a mistake, he could get a paper cut and possibly an infection.
Management makes excellent money to run the airline. To cope with $4.00 jet fuel. To cope with paying professional pilots what they are worth.
THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM
Buying into management's story that they cannot afford to pay you what you are worth is nonsense. The legacy carriers need the feed and will pay for it. They are printing money.
One penny less than these numbers must be a no vote.
Every word from your management's mouth is pure manipulation.
PILOTS COST WHAT PILOTS COST
LANDING FEES COST WHAT LANDING FEES COST
SPARE PARTS COST WHAT SPARE PARTS COST
If you hold your ground, there are two possible outcomes.
1) they will agree to these wages
2) they will move all the flying to mainline
Legacy management cannot have hundreds of cancelled flights every day due to lack of pilots.
You have all the leverage you need and more.
Take a stand and restore the profession forever.
Jerry Fielding
I totally agree..Regional FO's should start at a 100k..Captains at 150-160k...
Majors should start at 160k for a first year FO, 250k for senior FO's...starting CA pay at 350k...Top Captain pay should exceed 400k..
This is where we were supposed to be...
08-15-2015, 05:53 PM
#16
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Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 4,601
You do of course realize most lawyers and doctors don't make anywhere close to that much right? And I can tell you that being an airline pilot requires less school, less financial investment, and is less work on an hour-by-hour basis than either of those professions. We are delusional to think that this is something other than a "higher-level" blue collar job. We operate heavy machinery and are members of unions. Everyone should read Flying the Line volumes 1 and 2... Automation is coming in the next decades and all it takes is another financial downturn or major war to happen and we're all out on the street again. This profession will never be "what it was". The truth is I try and discourage people from becoming professional pilots. I enjoy what I do, but this industry isn't that great. And the lifestyle will wear on you after a while. And there is no real hope of making it significantly better for future generations of pilots because time and technology simply aren't on our side.
08-15-2015, 06:07 PM
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 99
You do of course realize most lawyers and doctors don't make anywhere close to that much right? And I can tell you that being an airline pilot requires less school, less financial investment, and is less work on an hour-by-hour basis than either of those professions. We are delusional to think that this is something other than a "higher-level" blue collar job. We operate heavy machinery and are members of unions. Everyone should read Flying the Line volumes 1 and 2... Automation is coming in the next decades and all it takes is another financial downturn or major war to happen and we're all out on the street again. This profession will never be "what it was". The truth is I try and discourage people from becoming professional pilots. I enjoy what I do, but this industry isn't that great. And the lifestyle will wear on you after a while. And there is no real hope of making it significantly better for future generations of pilots because time and technology simply aren't on our side.
If this is the attitude you have towards your own career then you are a loser and always will be.
Furthermore, anyone who pursues a job that they wouldn't recommend to others is either a martyr or a fool.
Go away.
Last edited by JohnLocke; 08-15-2015 at 06:23 PM.
08-15-2015, 06:21 PM
#19
spin 2
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: the big one
Posts: 437
so let's get something organized! i'm down for informational picketing. we can start with I have $200,000 in debt I make $30,000 a year, I collect $280 in food stamps a month! and I'm on Obamacare!!! what a joke. The problem is as others have said there is zero unity between the pilots. ALPA has done an amazing job at playing us and getting us to hate each other, while stabbing each other in the backs. I think it's time to take a stand and change this industry back to what it used to be! what are they going to do fire me? Great keep your $30,000 year job I'll go work at Walmart make more and be home at night. all while watching my kids grow up
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