$100,000 Minimum Regional First Officer
08-17-2015, 12:22 PM
#131
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The reality is that flying an airliner is EASY. This job as a whole is EASY. You do not need superior physical or mental skills to be an airline pilot. Quit thinking you are something superior, when you are not. You have more in common with a truck driver than a doctor or lawyer.
Regional airlines are entry level jobs and employ entry level workers who should be making entry level wages. Regional pilots in this thread are like McDonalds burger flippers complaining that they are not paid and treated like an executive chef at a five star restaurant. GTF over yourselves.
Regional airlines are entry level jobs and employ entry level workers who should be making entry level wages. Regional pilots in this thread are like McDonalds burger flippers complaining that they are not paid and treated like an executive chef at a five star restaurant. GTF over yourselves.
Reality is that you are brainless... Pilots have much more power than you think...The only thing holding them back in the U.S is the lack of organization...If everyone was to walk off the job for even one day- It would literally shut down America....This is what needs to happen...As far as Doctors and Lawyers, I know plenty of idiots in law and medicine so please do not even go there...
08-17-2015, 12:49 PM
#132
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Posts: 455
Let's look at UAL's latest financial statement, which was signed under penalty of perjury.
Total operating income(profits): $2.168 billion
of that, regional portion(profits): $2.044 billion
That is straight out of the last UAL sec filing 10Q.
UAL SEC Filings | United Continental Holdings Stock - Yahoo! Finance
Total operating income(profits): $2.168 billion
of that, regional portion(profits): $2.044 billion
That is straight out of the last UAL sec filing 10Q.
UAL SEC Filings | United Continental Holdings Stock - Yahoo! Finance
So what you're saying is that the regional operating revenue $3,197 minus the CPA's $1,157 is all profit, but what you fail to acknowledge is that mainline covers all of the other costs of doing business. Without mainline, regional operators would not exist. ACA/Indy died quickly, and XJT tried an LCC with 50 seaters that died quickly as well.
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08-17-2015, 12:55 PM
#134
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Interesting, I see the $2.168 billion profit which takes the PAX Revenue of $12,899 (Mainline PAX Rev) + $3,197 (Regional PAX Rev) + $471 (Cargo) + $1,955 (Other Rev) totaling $18,522 in revenue. Minus expenses totaling $16,336 you get the $2.168 billion profit.
I never did see the operating income broken down in the report, nor did I find the $2.044 billion of profit that regionals provided. I guess I have a tough time understanding how a portion of the operation that accounts for 19% of the operating revenue (money coming in) is accounting for 94% of the profits.
I never did see the operating income broken down in the report, nor did I find the $2.044 billion of profit that regionals provided. I guess I have a tough time understanding how a portion of the operation that accounts for 19% of the operating revenue (money coming in) is accounting for 94% of the profits.
For instance, I just pulled up a fare from United.com for ORD to LAX, Cost $249. I pulled a fare from ORD to ATW, cost $939. Regionals are absolute cash cows.
08-17-2015, 01:18 PM
#135
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So what you're saying is that the regional operating revenue $3,197 minus the CPA's $1,157 is all profit, but what you fail to acknowledge is that mainline covers all of the other costs of doing business. Without mainline, regional operators would not exist. ACA/Indy died quickly, and XJT tried an LCC with 50 seaters that died quickly as well.
08-17-2015, 01:43 PM
#136
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Posts: 490
The reality is that flying an airliner is EASY. This job as a whole is EASY. You do not need superior physical or mental skills to be an airline pilot. Quit thinking you are something superior, when you are not. You have more in common with a truck driver than a doctor or lawyer.
Regional airlines are entry level jobs and employ entry level workers who should be making entry level wages. Regional pilots in this thread are like McDonalds burger flippers complaining that they are not paid and treated like an executive chef at a five star restaurant. GTF over yourselves.
Regional airlines are entry level jobs and employ entry level workers who should be making entry level wages. Regional pilots in this thread are like McDonalds burger flippers complaining that they are not paid and treated like an executive chef at a five star restaurant. GTF over yourselves.
BTW, your attitude is management's wet dream, as they can make their case by quoting idiotic statements like yours in their continued attack on our profession.
08-17-2015, 01:52 PM
#137
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Regional airlines are entry level jobs and employ entry level workers who should be making entry level wages. Regional pilots in this thread are like McDonalds burger flippers complaining that they are not paid and treated like an executive chef at a five star restaurant. GTF over yourselves.
Crash a 737 = people die.
Mess up someone's burger order = mild inconvenience.
I fail to see the correlation...
08-17-2015, 01:53 PM
#138
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Position: ERJ, CA
Posts: 718
Yea managemt will bust out their violin for you. They don't care if you can kill a bunch of people, they are insured, and they don't care about you. You are just a number and a warm body on their chess board. If the could, they would pay you minimum wage. You only get what you negotiate. The problem is NOT them, the problem is with YOU! US! We are are own worst enemy. Look at how we treat each other, pilots are their own worst enemy. There's so much ego and BS that we can not get over eacther in order to come to unity. The only unity is at places like Fedex where they are congratulationg eacther on making 200k. The rest of us in the trenches, it's Everyman for himself. We need to change that, you need to look at the other guys interest before yours. That's unity!!! You think that will ever happen? Good luck.
I realize all that, but I was responding logically to Fegelein's ridiculous statement that a regional airline pilot is an entry level position. The other stuff has nothing to do with his statement.
08-17-2015, 02:01 PM
#139
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There are literally tens of thousands of <25 year olds chomping at the bit, to live in crash pad for 20+ days a month, fly a 121 jet, that are ready, willing, and able to work for cheap. They justify it with the rationale that it will just be a temporary "stepping stone" for them, because the stars in there eyes of making it to a major airline someday blind them to stark reality that tens of thousands of others have experienced.
This pool of labor will continue to undermine and devalue the efforts of the rest of the industry to raise compensation, not just at thier specific place of employ, but industry wide.
This pool of labor will continue to undermine and devalue the efforts of the rest of the industry to raise compensation, not just at thier specific place of employ, but industry wide.
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