MaxQ

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I agree that the pay increase to the regional pilots should come from the profits.
Unfortunately that is seldom how it works. Rather than share with those who earn it, the idea is to hoard it all, and if that eventually doesn't work, then take it from other workers. Taking from profits/stock price is, unfortunately, the last resort for management.

MaxQ

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If you think that post shows an empathy for the business/mgmt of a major airline, you're critical reading skills are somewhat deficient.

FirstClass

I can't even read through this whole thing.

1.) You are not special
2.) You deserve nothing
3.) It doesn't matter what you think you are worth, it doesn't matter what a truck driver or doctor makes.

Here is what is relevant.

1.) You made a choice to work at your job for whatever money they are paying you.
2.) You have the ability to try and negotiate or hold out for more, maybe or maybe not it will work.
3.) You can leave anytime and pursue a higher paying position.
4.) Start your own airline and give the pilots all the money.
5.) The laws of supply and demand are in play, who gives a sh*t about alpa.

I don't know what it is with some of you people, but this is still the USA where capitalism is our way. Many of you are preaching philosophies that smack of socialism. Hey maybe you are a Hilary voter or from Europe, I don't know, but that's not how things are done here.

You come to a contract airline such as PSA, Envoy, TSA, etc..? You get used to that $20,000 per year paycheck, you signed up for it, nobody twisted your arm. Further, many of you signed up for $200,000 of debt to get here. That's your problem not mine.

Suck it up. I'm tired of hearing your damn whining.

BeatNavy

True capitalism doesn't exist when people's experience doesn't go with them from one company to another. This is the only industry where that is the case. Longevity/seniority resets make this not capitalism. I'm way anti-Hillary and friends, but this isn't fast food workers asking for $15 an hour. This is highly trained and experienced aviation professionals (mostly) flying 76 seat jets on the same routes at the same speeds in the same livery as mainline, but made up barriers to entry to the golden jobs prevent capitalism from working and result in these professionals being paid food stamp wages. Our union is supposed to protect us (as a whole profession), but we watched ALPA sell scope and put us in this situation with the proliferation of RJs.

Airlines are under investigation for colluding and fixing ticket prices, which effectively destroys the supply/demand models that true capitalism is supposed to use. The airlines also alter true capitalism with contracted feed. This isn't the way capitalism is supposed to work.

Caveman

Might I suggest the passion & energy expended in this thread by those that don't feel they are appropriately compensated, or are dissapointed with work rules....that it'd be more effectively applied by being involved with the tough hard work that's necessary to improve those points at your current place of employ.

If this offends you, it likely applies to you.

I acknowledge it's easier to complain about a problem than to actually be part of a real solution of the problem.

FirstClass

Again, all irrelevant. Dump alpa into the toilet and watch things get better. Let chaos reign. The company either will or will not pull it all together. All the union is is a focal point for the company to do whatever they want and let the union enforce their wishes so they don't have to deal with "pilot problems". Think about it. The union works for the company not the pilot.

It's no different than certain segments of our society depending on democrats for a few extra dollars. But democrats need these voters so they have to keep them down (dependent) otherwise they will no longer be democrats (a reason to exist). Just a crude example.

Ace Hotshot

Yawn. Give me a break with the it's your way or the highway rhetoric. If the majority (or at least the electoral college) vote the way of *Hillary, then it IS "how things are done here". You and those on your side of the fence do not own the American way.

I have news for you. Capitalism in its purest form is just as insidious to our way of life as Communism. It's not all black and white.

*Personally, I side with Sanders.

Max Glide

"...that being an airline pilot requires less school, less financial investment, and is less work on an hour-by-hour basis than either of those professions." Completely Agree! There's really no comparison to being a lawyer, doctor, engineer, etc. You'd never see a farmer or bus driver, or a security guard simply deciding to become one one from the above professions. Or lets say a one with only a High School graduation. One can't simply decide to go to a local clinic and get all his/her medical licenses or law degree or an engineering degree in few months and then think of themselves as something that no one else can do. Anyone can become a pilot; not anyone can become a doctor or a lawyer or an engineer. Or a Mathematician.
Well said!

Max Glide

Truth hurts...and that's exactly what you're feeling. Instead of debating it intelligently, which you've shown incapability towards, all you can do it to insult someone.

Please don't try to compare yourself to someone who's gone to a 4-year school, then went to a 4-year medical school, etc.

To be an airline pilot, you don't even need a college degree!

SayAlt

LOL. Allow me to quote yourself back to you....

...and no one care who you side with.