Dear PSAJOBS
#21
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
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First off, no, 15 is not correct. There were far more. I alone had at least 3.
Training, PSAJOBS is right, it isn't nearly 50%. That is a non issue when considering coming here.
SSP? It's at a minimum 15 years right now. I don't know what level PSAJOBS is at but I can say for a fact when the DO came in to speak to recurrent, he said nothing in the wording compels the company to send more so to not expect much.
The SAP. Great, GREAT tool. No lie, it and the people you fly with makes this place tolerable. That said, it lasts 24 hours and was supposed to be instant turn around for approval/denial. Currently takes upwards of 8 hours to figure itself out making it almost useless. Management's response? Eh, glitch/SABRE issue/not our problem.
If you want your time and then get kicked out the door, come on over. If you want your management to treat you like garbage, this is for you. Want to be a CPA? Practice your skills here by rechecking your pay every month.
On the other hand, odds are you will pass training, you will likely upgrade when you want it, you'll get whatever base you want and you'll be to get days off quickly.
That's the real deal here.
Training, PSAJOBS is right, it isn't nearly 50%. That is a non issue when considering coming here.
SSP? It's at a minimum 15 years right now. I don't know what level PSAJOBS is at but I can say for a fact when the DO came in to speak to recurrent, he said nothing in the wording compels the company to send more so to not expect much.
The SAP. Great, GREAT tool. No lie, it and the people you fly with makes this place tolerable. That said, it lasts 24 hours and was supposed to be instant turn around for approval/denial. Currently takes upwards of 8 hours to figure itself out making it almost useless. Management's response? Eh, glitch/SABRE issue/not our problem.
If you want your time and then get kicked out the door, come on over. If you want your management to treat you like garbage, this is for you. Want to be a CPA? Practice your skills here by rechecking your pay every month.
On the other hand, odds are you will pass training, you will likely upgrade when you want it, you'll get whatever base you want and you'll be to get days off quickly.
That's the real deal here.
#22
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,011
I would estimate from reading through this forum PSA is probably the best regional out there right now when you add up all the pluses. Sure, it might suck, but it appears it sucks the least. Not sure what that says.
The upgrade time and sap are probably the best thing going for psa.
Ultimately though psa will have to compete at some point.
The upgrade time and sap are probably the best thing going for psa.
Ultimately though psa will have to compete at some point.
#24
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Joined APC: May 2015
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Ok, according to the payroll department there were 15 discrepancies last month. Out of what? 1100? This, according to them is about average unless there is significant weather events then the number goes up. Some are company problems but most are self induced. Don't shoot the messenger.
I just looked at the training stats. Since the expansion started the upgrade pass rate is 91%. That's a fact.
Time to AA? Can't say and neither can you. The SSP will be renegotiated and is there any doubt the numbers will go up?
If someone really knows systems and flows, I don't care if they have trouble landing out of a visual. I know of one who is a credentialed teacher and had years teaching in a high school.
This is a good corporation that tries to give good people opportunities.
But you should know that because this company went way out of their way for you....Right?
I just looked at the training stats. Since the expansion started the upgrade pass rate is 91%. That's a fact.
Time to AA? Can't say and neither can you. The SSP will be renegotiated and is there any doubt the numbers will go up?
If someone really knows systems and flows, I don't care if they have trouble landing out of a visual. I know of one who is a credentialed teacher and had years teaching in a high school.
This is a good corporation that tries to give good people opportunities.
But you should know that because this company went way out of their way for you....Right?
When you say the pass rate is 91% are you stating that 91% of the pilots who attempt upgrade training pass without failing the oral or PC? Or are you saying 91% make it to the line? If 91% are getting through without ANY training failure on their record that's a very good pass rate. I really hope it is that high. I apologize if my statistic was wrong, as I stated, it was second hand info and the company does not publish these statistics. 91% seems far higher than what pilots who work in the training department have mentioned. So you are stating that PSA is hiring instructors who washed out of training because PSA wants to provide opportunities to good people? Let's not spin this one. You need pilots to fly the line. If someone can't make it to the line but is willing to teach you'll keep them. It's a convenient arrangement born out of the current hiring environment.
If the SSP goes to 5 a month will that be a significant improvement for the most junior pilots? What if it goes to 10? You basically said it'll go up and that we can't have an opinion or estimate on the time it will take to go to AA. Don't you think most new hires would like an estimate? I heard Piedmont has an ad on Facebook that says 3-5 years to AA, why such a different approach at another wholly-owned carrier?
Looking at your rebuttal you have really failed to sway my opinion on any of the issues I mentioned. You stated 15 discrepancies for last month however I find that nearly impossible to believe. If you can support that claim with tangible evidence I'll gladly eat my words. I have a feeling the number is far more than 15. Your 91% pass rate needs clarification. If that's accurate for pilots passing the oral and check ride on the first attempt that's an improvement over what it used to be. You have confirmed that the training department is employing pilots who could not pass training, so that they may train new pilots. As far as the SSP, you said nobody knows but it has to get better, we just don't know how much better. That's not a very strong selling point.
In all seriousness, I do appreciate you looking into these issues. Instead of telling prospective pilots how awesome PSA is with aircraft deliveries and SSP to AA, why doesn't this management team make it a great place to work? As others and myself have pointed out, there is clearly issues that continue to be ignored.
#25
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
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Hopefully all the folks coming from XJT and Eagle add class to the PSA operation. That was always my biggest beef with that company, the professionalism there is severely lacking. Feels like a big group of un-hirable High School dropouts. The E gates ramp freq is god awful and full of guys playing music, farting, calling Jiiiimy, etc. The times I've been up front in the JS I was nowhere near impressed. It's unfortunate there is a flow.
#26
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
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Hopefully all the folks coming from XJT and Eagle add class to the PSA operation. That was always my biggest beef with that company, the professionalism there is severely lacking. Feels like a big group of un-hirable High School dropouts. The E gates ramp freq is god awful and full of guys playing music, farting, calling Jiiiimy, etc. The times I've been up front in the JS I was nowhere near impressed. It's unfortunate there is a flow.
#27
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
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If Theonemarine had at least three discrepancies and I had a few myself that would mean the two of us accounted for nearly half of the payroll discrepancies last month. Does that sound realistic to you? 1100 pilots on property and two that happen to be on APC accounted for half of the discrepancies? You state some are company problems but MOST are self induced. So when a flight cancels and one doesn't receive cancellation pay that is somehow the pilot's fault? How does one self induce a short pay check? Sounds like the company is blaming the pilots when their pay is shorted. Thanks for looking into this issue, however I feel you may have been given inaccurate info. Furthermore, you haven't addressed the convoluted payroll system that requires cross checking several sources or the fact that our paycheck doesn't contain a breakdown of the hours which only adds to the confusion.
#28
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
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I remember republic pilots sitting on the pedestal when they were getting their 175's in massive quantities, also with Gojets. It's ok, reality comes roaring in like a freight train and pretty soon humility sets in. PSA will get theirs soon enough, just like every other flavor of the week regional.
#29
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
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It's a top down management issue. Amateur hour from the very top of the organization. One of my sim partners at mainline was ex-PSA, huge difference in quality of the individual between him and the better commuters in my class. My old company always said they hired for attitude, I can see where they are coming from now. Republic is similar to PSA in that regard, although they have less problems with it.
XJT & ASA, AWAC, Mesaba, & Eagle guys are tops IMO. Always have been. I hope as many as possible can find jobs outside of their 4 year reserve stints. They deserve them.
XJT & ASA, AWAC, Mesaba, & Eagle guys are tops IMO. Always have been. I hope as many as possible can find jobs outside of their 4 year reserve stints. They deserve them.
#30
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
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Dear PSAJOBS
Hopefully all the folks coming from XJT and Eagle add class to the PSA operation. That was always my biggest beef with that company, the professionalism there is severely lacking. Feels like a big group of un-hirable High School dropouts. The E gates ramp freq is god awful and full of guys playing music, farting, calling Jiiiimy, etc. The times I've been up front in the JS I was nowhere near impressed. It's unfortunate there is a flow.
Yeah I've never heard anything you mentioned on ramp freq. You are making crap up.
Jiiimmmyyyy
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