Best/worst training department
05-07-2015, 01:39 PM
#41
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Maybe it's not the various regional training departments that are the problem? Seems to me everyone has had to "dumb" their training down to meet the current applicants needs for 20 extra sims and 300 hours of IOE!
I have been trying to figure out what has happened nowadays! NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN AIRLINE TRAINING! All of a sudden no one can pass a checkride at 1500 hrs? I am on my 3rd regional and the training still seems the same!
I was hired at Comair in 2006 with 1200 hrs and 200 multi. One out of 16 in my class didn't pass! Not long after that they dropped the mins down to 250hrs! We had alot of those guys get through training with less problems! Fast forward and now it's ATP mins an still no one can pass training for a regional airline!
I really don't get it!
I have been trying to figure out what has happened nowadays! NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN AIRLINE TRAINING! All of a sudden no one can pass a checkride at 1500 hrs? I am on my 3rd regional and the training still seems the same!
I was hired at Comair in 2006 with 1200 hrs and 200 multi. One out of 16 in my class didn't pass! Not long after that they dropped the mins down to 250hrs! We had alot of those guys get through training with less problems! Fast forward and now it's ATP mins an still no one can pass training for a regional airline!
I really don't get it!
05-07-2015, 05:29 PM
#42
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It's because your assuming these people are carreer aviation students that now have 1500 hours. In reality it's literally the same crowd that had 1200 hours back in 06 when you got hired but could never get selected or pass an interview. It's a motley crew of people who could never get on at a regional before this shortage provided them new opportunity.
05-08-2015, 08:21 AM
#43
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Maybe it's not the various regional training departments that are the problem? Seems to me everyone has had to "dumb" their training down to meet the current applicants needs for 20 extra sims and 300 hours of IOE!
I have been trying to figure out what has happened nowadays! NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN AIRLINE TRAINING! All of a sudden no one can pass a checkride at 1500 hrs? I am on my 3rd regional and the training still seems the same!
I was hired at Comair in 2006 with 1200 hrs and 200 multi. One out of 16 in my class didn't pass! Not long after that they dropped the mins down to 250hrs! We had alot of those guys get through training with less problems! Fast forward and now it's ATP mins an still no one can pass training for a regional airline!
I really don't get it!
I have been trying to figure out what has happened nowadays! NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN AIRLINE TRAINING! All of a sudden no one can pass a checkride at 1500 hrs? I am on my 3rd regional and the training still seems the same!
I was hired at Comair in 2006 with 1200 hrs and 200 multi. One out of 16 in my class didn't pass! Not long after that they dropped the mins down to 250hrs! We had alot of those guys get through training with less problems! Fast forward and now it's ATP mins an still no one can pass training for a regional airline!
I really don't get it!
05-08-2015, 02:33 PM
#44
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On a recent trip home jump-seating on an Endeavor 900, the FO, a former military pilot, was spewing fire about little guy, from the land of Nokia, known as Little Man, who did his FTD training. The word is that many good Endeavor instructors have left and new guys are subpar. This little gentleman has a reputation of his own! They all say he’d be a good fit for the former Memphis Mafia, but not the Mesaba-inspired training in the north.
05-08-2015, 05:06 PM
#45
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I'll add my 2¢. I went through the 9E Memphis Mafia in early 2008. The ground guys were great but I'll definitely admit that some of the checking pilots weren't the best. I'm a little biased about CommutAir since I work there but I have to say the training is very good. All training is done by line pilots. There is something inherently better about having line guys teach...especially the new hires. The instructors work very hard with the new hires because it benefits all involved. More new hires mean more upgrades and our little airline continues to do well. Sometimes being a small company has its perks.
05-08-2015, 06:30 PM
#46
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Boy that is the truth... when I came over to 9E I was blown away by the attitude of the guys in the training department. It was like they were just praying that they could fail you, very vindictive environment. Now that it has shifted over to the Mesaba way of doing things , it is now actually a learning environment that is concerned with making you a safe pilot, not making sure that you memorize how many holes are in the static port. (7)
Glad I left. I may never return to any regional, the training is screwed up all the time.
05-09-2015, 03:44 PM
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Historically SKW had a very, very low fail rate. Part of that was due to the quality of the program, but part was also due to selective screening at the interview. They changed (ie lowered) the interview standards and word is that new-hire fail rates are significantly higher now.
05-09-2015, 06:09 PM
#50
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I'll add my 2 cents as well. Expressjet (ASA) has an excellent training department. Albeit my first part 121 training experience, I hit IOE feeling that I'd been giving all the tools necessary to perform well on the line and have an edge in decision making. I've had friends move on to Hawaiian, Delta and United who have made comments about ASA's training being top notch in comparison.
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