RAA is trying very hard to rescind ATP rule
05-20-2015, 08:38 AM
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Apparently the purple and brown feeders are feeling the impact as well.
"To stem the flow, Ameriflight raised its pay rates by about 20 percent last November, and another increase took effect recently. A senior Embraer EMB-120 captain now makes $89,000 per year, and a Piper Chieftain pilot $43,000 (up from $28,000)."
Leaving Amflt to go to Mesa will now be a 30-40K pay cut.
ional News[/url]
Apparently the purple and brown feeders are feeling the impact as well.
"To stem the flow, Ameriflight raised its pay rates by about 20 percent last November, and another increase took effect recently. A senior Embraer EMB-120 captain now makes $89,000 per year, and a Piper Chieftain pilot $43,000 (up from $28,000)."
Leaving Amflt to go to Mesa will now be a 30-40K pay cut.
05-20-2015, 08:41 AM
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So interesting metrics in there....
the following numbers of ATP Knowledge Tests administered by year:
4214 in 2009
5617 in 2010
6922 in 2011
8192 in 2012
8535 in 2013
27,254 in 2014
The high number in 2014 is an anomaly and is the result of many pilots getting it done before the rules change.
Since (Aug. 1, 2014), a mere 179 ATP Multi-Engine Knowledge Tests have been administered, with 120 taken in 2015.
4214 in 2009
5617 in 2010
6922 in 2011
8192 in 2012
8535 in 2013
27,254 in 2014
The high number in 2014 is an anomaly and is the result of many pilots getting it done before the rules change.
Since (Aug. 1, 2014), a mere 179 ATP Multi-Engine Knowledge Tests have been administered, with 120 taken in 2015.
05-20-2015, 09:01 AM
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Critical Mass
Let's play along with the RAA for a minute and follow their wish to the logical conclusion. Let's assume that regional airline management(s) are successful in repealing the 1500 hour rule and let's say that the minimums are lowered to 500 hours, total time.
When minimums are reduced to 500 hours, total time, nearly every CFI in the nation will apply to a regional airline and will be hired. This will lead to a severe shortage of CFI's, which will lead to a severe shortage of private/instrument/multi/commercial pilots, which will lead to even MORE severe shortage of CFI's, which leads us back to a severe shortage of regional airline pilot candidates.
This thing has reached critical mass! And regional airline management is too short-sighted to see that lowering the requirement to become a 121 first officer is not in their best interest, long term. In fact, as I see it, lowering the minimums will exacerbate the problem.
When minimums are reduced to 500 hours, total time, nearly every CFI in the nation will apply to a regional airline and will be hired. This will lead to a severe shortage of CFI's, which will lead to a severe shortage of private/instrument/multi/commercial pilots, which will lead to even MORE severe shortage of CFI's, which leads us back to a severe shortage of regional airline pilot candidates.
This thing has reached critical mass! And regional airline management is too short-sighted to see that lowering the requirement to become a 121 first officer is not in their best interest, long term. In fact, as I see it, lowering the minimums will exacerbate the problem.
05-20-2015, 09:15 AM
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Let's play along with the RAA for a minute and follow their wish to the logical conclusion. Let's assume that regional airline management(s) are successful in repealing the 1500 hour rule and let's say that the minimums are lowered to 500 hours, total time.
When minimums are reduced to 500 hours, total time, nearly every CFI in the nation will apply to a regional airline and will be hired. This will lead to a severe shortage of CFI's, which will lead to a severe shortage of private/instrument/multi/commercial pilots, which will lead to even MORE severe shortage of CFI's, which leads us back to a severe shortage of regional airline pilot candidates.
This thing has reached critical mass! And regional airline management is too short-sighted to see that lowering the requirement to become a 121 first officer is not in their best interest, long term. In fact, as I see it, lowering the minimums will exacerbate the problem.
When minimums are reduced to 500 hours, total time, nearly every CFI in the nation will apply to a regional airline and will be hired. This will lead to a severe shortage of CFI's, which will lead to a severe shortage of private/instrument/multi/commercial pilots, which will lead to even MORE severe shortage of CFI's, which leads us back to a severe shortage of regional airline pilot candidates.
This thing has reached critical mass! And regional airline management is too short-sighted to see that lowering the requirement to become a 121 first officer is not in their best interest, long term. In fact, as I see it, lowering the minimums will exacerbate the problem.
Also, I see 2014 data is out....almost all areas are UP, except new ATPs (makes sense now that the rush to comply all regional FOs is done) and student pilots are down 300 newbies year over year. See my signature line as well.
2014 FAA original issuances;
Student 49,261
Private 17,795
Commercial 9,803
ATP 7,749
instrument 11,290
CFI 4,987
It seems like the sky is NOT falling. More pilots generated than last year. The pilots *continue* to be there, but employers will have to offer the right compensation to attract those pilots.
P.S. also note that again, more than 200 commercials were indeed issued by the FAA. Just like happens every year.
05-20-2015, 03:27 PM
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This is exactly my point, too. And its not just the lack of CFI numbers, but a lack of CFIs who know what the hell they doing to adequately teach future pilots and future CFIs.
Also, I see 2014 data is out....almost all areas are UP, except new ATPs (makes sense now that the rush to comply all regional FOs is done) and student pilots are down 300 newbies year over year. See my signature line as well.
2014 FAA original issuances;
Student 49,261
Private 17,795
Commercial 9,803
ATP 7,749
instrument 11,290
CFI 4,987
It seems like the sky is NOT falling. More pilots generated than last year. The pilots *continue* to be there, but employers will have to offer the right compensation to attract those pilots.
P.S. also note that again, more than 200 commercials were indeed issued by the FAA. Just like happens every year.
Also, I see 2014 data is out....almost all areas are UP, except new ATPs (makes sense now that the rush to comply all regional FOs is done) and student pilots are down 300 newbies year over year. See my signature line as well.
2014 FAA original issuances;
Student 49,261
Private 17,795
Commercial 9,803
ATP 7,749
instrument 11,290
CFI 4,987
It seems like the sky is NOT falling. More pilots generated than last year. The pilots *continue* to be there, but employers will have to offer the right compensation to attract those pilots.
P.S. also note that again, more than 200 commercials were indeed issued by the FAA. Just like happens every year.
05-20-2015, 04:16 PM
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You prove my point, sir! It's funny how you view the lawyers and doctors, but your fellow pilots are not worthy enough to get into a law school? Most of my pilot friends never attended ERAU or UND, or any aviation - related BA, BS, or MS program. We just went to college for business, psychology, physics, law, music....etc. Some went to law school, two graduated UW Law and one got honors at Seattle U Law. Couple others got accepted to medical programs at Emory and NYU. Most of us are career pilots, others decided to stay in law and medical field. Not everyone is a success story, but none of us is a whiny ....th! And WE ARE ALL PROUD of what we do! If one jobs doesn't pay well enough, there is always an option...this is LIFE!
05-20-2015, 06:10 PM
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I've never understood the fascination pilots have with comparing themselves to doctors. Doctors have over a decade of higher education along with an intimate working knowledge of biology, chemistry and physics. A degree in mediveal poetry still allows one to cheek the box and be a pilot. Pilots are trained through practice and repetition to complete tasks. Anyone can be a pilot, but most people could never be a doctor. It's a ridiculous comparison. Not even apples and oranges.
Even if we did somehow cause hell to freeze over and double pay at the regionals, we'd still be regional pilots fighting over scraps from the mainline partners. We're completely replaceable by whatever company can do it for a dollar cheaper. Making it to mainline is not just an ego/paycheck thing. It's also about a slight modicum of stability as well as being treated like a human. No regional will ever be a safe place to call a "career".
Even if we did somehow cause hell to freeze over and double pay at the regionals, we'd still be regional pilots fighting over scraps from the mainline partners. We're completely replaceable by whatever company can do it for a dollar cheaper. Making it to mainline is not just an ego/paycheck thing. It's also about a slight modicum of stability as well as being treated like a human. No regional will ever be a safe place to call a "career".
05-20-2015, 06:47 PM
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Yeah, I made a mistake posting anything on here! My apologies! go! Be miserable regional pilots and have your wives and husbands take care of you. There are losers in any profession, and many doctors, lawyers and teachers should never be allowed to practice, just like some pilots. But, I consider myself a professional and so do most of the pilots I know. P.S. Making a living selling shoes also requires a great amount of skill.
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