yayairplanes

Thanks everybody for the on point answers so far, and not biting my head off.

So in an undesirable base in an undesirable plane, would that necessarily equate to faster availability of an upgrade in that place? With LGA growing, does that make it better than JFK? Sorry for the rookie questions. It's because I'm a rookie. I'm just trying to learn, and make the best QOL decision (I live in NY currently), while not backing myself into a corner career wise (at least as far as Shuttle goes).

basesjuiced

the 145 extension is great news for all of our pilots, especially our FO's. But the numbers simply do not add up... doesn't seem to make any sense. RAH can't come close to adequately staffing their Delta 170 flying which are their money makers. Then they added 9 more 170's. Now they are going to further burden the staffing challenge by forcing RAH to continue to fly the 145? I cant see how Delta won't renege on this extension at some point long before 2021, this place simply does not have the pilots whether we get a great contract or not. The improved QOL on the 145 remains to be seen. Like anything else here believe it when you see it

Loon

I think they're putting all their bets on a new cba signed and sealed sometime this summer. Will it happen? I think so. Will it help in pilot retention/recruiting? Only time will tell.

yayairplanes

The thing that complicates my decision is the fact that, even if the QOL or upgrade situation or whatever is the same or a little better or a little worse, it's an additional $5,000 right off the bat to join with the 145, which could make up for a little bit of BS down the line.

basesjuiced

the certificate or airplane you choose makes no difference in terms of upgrade. whether you are on the 145 or 170 you can bid for any airplane when attempting to upgrade, we all are under one seniority list. if i were you i would go for the 145 because of the larger signing bonus and the likelihood you will get the 145 and 170 type out of Rah. May I also suggest Endeavor. NYC base and its the highest paid right now for FOs. Approximately $45k first pay and $20,000/year retention bonus for 4 years. Dont know what will come of RAHs contract but you will definitely make more money at Endeavor as it stands right now, and be home based

CptGSXR

everything posted so far is simply what the company claims will happen. nobody wants the 145 because all you get are uncommutable 17 hr 4 days (if you are really new at this the best way to explain is you will never get more than min days off and will rarely break guarantee) Yes things COULD get better, but why would anyone possibly trust the Rev to keep his word?

As far as staffing, the extension of the 145 was unilateral by Delta, no reason I can see but maybe someone with inside info can help.

To sum up, the answer to the OP is neither. don't go to RAH, it is currently the worst regional in terms of pay qol and upgrade time. (ok maybe Horizon is longer on upgrade)

lavService

Could the extension be a bold business move for Delta? They know Repbulic can't staff and Republic signed a contract under the assumption that they would always be able to staff it. Delta sees the staffing issue and is compounding the issue by having at least 4 Republic guys in each new hire class.

Eventually Republic will be unable to meet any of the numbers in the performance matrix opening them up to performance penalties and breach of contract lawsuits. Think Freedom back around 2008-2010. Delta then sues the living hell out of Republic bankrupting them. This in turn would put in danger large amounts of lift for American and United. This is just my theory on whats going on. Hell just look at flightaware and you will see Republic and Shuttle leading in the number of cancellations on most days of the week. There is no way Delta thinks Republic will be able to honor their contract.

unclenobby

Unlikely - Delta need someone to cover the stuff Air Whiskey did not take.

Delta - We need to extend this flying. Can u staff it??

RAH - no all our pilots are leaving for majors (cough splutter)

Tumbleweed blows across the room

Delta - we think we can work this out. Maybe we can magically turn them into 170s down the line if you can staff them.

RAH - ok so --- oh hey are you interested in options on the C Series.....!!!!!


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sqwkvfr

Bear in mind, however, that the 145 program was designed for people who have never flown turbine equipment, and the E-jet program was not. It's not unusual for someone without any turbine time to struggle with Shuttle's 170 KISS method for initial training when basics concepts are not explained.

For the original poster: I can't recommend Republic at all. I'm sure you know this if you've read the throngs of information on how the company mistreats anyone that does not work in the HQ building in Indy. However, in the spirit of intellectual honesty, I have to say that one of my biggest beefs with the company are it's terrible schedules as the result of it's outdated thinking regarding use of large outstation bases and the ludicrous notion that crews must be based where aircraft overnight. However, if you live in NYC, Shuttle 170 LGA is one of the better situations in the company....the aforementioned scheduling problems won't affect you one bit. The trips are mostly high credit day trips so you'll be at home nearly every night, and there's also the possibility of picking up EWR trips if it makes your schedule work. If you can set aside the company's problems and if the company actually makes good on it's efforts to change the culture, you just might be walking into a nearly ideal situation.

I wish you the best of luck.

sqwkvfr

Also, regarding this bonus, if you are looking to take advantage of that, do it quickly, because the company is kinda hell bent on getting a TA on an amended contract by the end of the month, and I guarantee that it'll put an end to any sign-on bonuses.

If the bonus is half is distributed when you enter class and the other half after training, you might consider the very real possibility that the second half will not be distributed.