Envoy closes 3 bases in 3 years. 2 left!
03-17-2015, 07:57 AM
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Envoy closes 3 bases in 3 years. 2 left!
Just announced the NY base closure.
In 2012 we had SJU, LAX, MIA, ORD, and DFW. A few years before that, we even had BOS.
It's over for envoy. The 40 airplanes coming won't be able to be staffed with the people remaining. Ive told every FO I can to get out. Go anywhere but here. This is our punishment for trying to stand up for an industry that didn't want to be stood up for.
Saving grace for me is I am retiring.
Oh and welcome to the Doug Parker playbook of lies TSA! Enjoy that tur dhole LGA base.
In 2012 we had SJU, LAX, MIA, ORD, and DFW. A few years before that, we even had BOS.
It's over for envoy. The 40 airplanes coming won't be able to be staffed with the people remaining. Ive told every FO I can to get out. Go anywhere but here. This is our punishment for trying to stand up for an industry that didn't want to be stood up for.
Saving grace for me is I am retiring.
Oh and welcome to the Doug Parker playbook of lies TSA! Enjoy that tur dhole LGA base.
03-17-2015, 08:13 AM
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Just announced the NY base closure.
In 2012 we had SJU, LAX, MIA, ORD, and DFW. A few years before that, we even had BOS.
It's over for envoy. The 40 airplanes coming won't be able to be staffed with the people remaining. Ive told every FO I can to get out. Go anywhere but here. This is our punishment for trying to stand up for an industry that didn't want to be stood up for.
Saving grace for me is I am retiring.
Oh and welcome to the Doug Parker playbook of lies TSA! Enjoy that tur dhole LGA base.
In 2012 we had SJU, LAX, MIA, ORD, and DFW. A few years before that, we even had BOS.
It's over for envoy. The 40 airplanes coming won't be able to be staffed with the people remaining. Ive told every FO I can to get out. Go anywhere but here. This is our punishment for trying to stand up for an industry that didn't want to be stood up for.
Saving grace for me is I am retiring.
Oh and welcome to the Doug Parker playbook of lies TSA! Enjoy that tur dhole LGA base.
I think it will take them several years to whittle Envoy down to 40 aircraft.
03-17-2015, 08:18 AM
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Sorry to hear this. If the future only involves 40 175's, which seems too small for one carrier unless it only serves one hub, then about 400 pilots would be needed and I assume several hundred lifers are still there with 5-15 years to go till 65. Of course, filling the F/O seats might be tough, if the lifers logjam the upgrades.
I think it will take them several years to whittle Envoy down to 40 aircraft.
I think it will take them several years to whittle Envoy down to 40 aircraft.
03-17-2015, 08:30 AM
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Sorry to hear this. If the future only involves 40 175's, which seems too small for one carrier unless it only serves one hub, then about 400 pilots would be needed and I assume several hundred lifers are still there with 5-15 years to go till 65. Of course, filling the F/O seats might be tough, if the lifers logjam the upgrades.
I think it will take them several years to whittle Envoy down to 40 aircraft.
I think it will take them several years to whittle Envoy down to 40 aircraft.
envoy will be, at best, a 60 airplane operation in 4-5 years. The lifers will be the captains and the poor saps that cannot get out of here due to our heavy handed training department, or they are just dingleberries, will be the FOs.
Personally, I don't even see that; I think 2-3 years and this place is dead.
03-17-2015, 08:38 AM
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Not when you can give out 145s like hot cakes. 15 to TSA, 15 to ExpressJet and 20 to Peidmont in about a year? The rest of the 145s could be done easily. The "let's see them staff it" paradigm has been proven false. And once down to 40 175s, with 2 other carriers (Compass and RAH) who can easily do 175 flying, it should be slick-as-snot to move those aircraft out. Compass is already flying 20 AAG-owned planes.
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