Is the ATP Rule Based on Fact?
02-06-2015, 12:10 PM
#52
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I disagree. This guy would have had 900 extra hours of either: flying skydivers in severe clear weather, teaching new pilots how to land, doing turns around a point towing banners, or flying low level along a pipeline in VFR weather. I doubt that any of this additional experience will help any pilot recognize an aircraft slowing while on autopilot in icing conditions.
It's also troublesome that you don't think you are a better pilot than you were with 250 hours. If you don't become a better airman since your 250 hour mark, you need to quit this industry.
02-06-2015, 12:14 PM
#53
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It's a tribute to the quality of FAA-approved airline SOPs that more accidents did not occur with some of these regionals who used to employ really low time FOs. The SOPs intentionally removed all experience-driven thinking they could from the job, which for the most part made things pretty safe. Only later when these pilots got to the left seat did their incompetence show up and begin to wreak havoc.
02-07-2015, 08:10 AM
#54
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I think being a CFI always paid better than being a first year airline pilot.
When I got out of college I got a job as a CFI right away and made 3 times the money I earned two years later with my first right seat job in a 19 seat airliner (which incidentally paid more than what a first year RJ FO can expect today).
Had to sell my new car, move out of my two story townhouse and back in with my parents, etc.
Times are easier today, there are a lot more airline jobs (strange the pay is lower though).
Schools in AZ are advertising pretty high guaranteed pay rates for CFIs...they are always looking and their pay has only gone up since the 1500hr rule was implemented. You can earn $40 - $50K annually and they are going so far as to offer retention and signing bonuses in some schools. They are also advertising guaranteed hours. Sounds like a shortage of CFIs to me.
Yes it can be hard work but that's what you need to do.
If I hear anyone complain about having to build 1500 hours before they can get their first airline job I'm going to assume they are a rich spoiled kid who wants to be an airline pilot as a hobby.
When I got out of college I got a job as a CFI right away and made 3 times the money I earned two years later with my first right seat job in a 19 seat airliner (which incidentally paid more than what a first year RJ FO can expect today).
Had to sell my new car, move out of my two story townhouse and back in with my parents, etc.
Times are easier today, there are a lot more airline jobs (strange the pay is lower though).
Schools in AZ are advertising pretty high guaranteed pay rates for CFIs...they are always looking and their pay has only gone up since the 1500hr rule was implemented. You can earn $40 - $50K annually and they are going so far as to offer retention and signing bonuses in some schools. They are also advertising guaranteed hours. Sounds like a shortage of CFIs to me.
Yes it can be hard work but that's what you need to do.
If I hear anyone complain about having to build 1500 hours before they can get their first airline job I'm going to assume they are a rich spoiled kid who wants to be an airline pilot as a hobby.
02-07-2015, 08:23 AM
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02-07-2015, 08:35 AM
#58
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At least a couple of these experiences involve flying slow - even at or near stall speeds don't they?
I flew jumpers for a little while and I was very slow when they jumped.
If you're teaching - you are teaching stalls right?
Never flew banners - but according to the posts on APC many of them talk about flying just above stall speed.
Don't know if pipeline guys fly low AND SLOW to do the job.
I think he might have gotten some real good experience doing those other things that might have helped him when he needed *recognition* in that airliner cockpit.
I flew jumpers for a little while and I was very slow when they jumped.
If you're teaching - you are teaching stalls right?
Never flew banners - but according to the posts on APC many of them talk about flying just above stall speed.
Don't know if pipeline guys fly low AND SLOW to do the job.
I think he might have gotten some real good experience doing those other things that might have helped him when he needed *recognition* in that airliner cockpit.
I think that 1500 hrs is still a little excessive, but 1000 /100 would be alright. If you haven't killed yourself then, I think your good to go.
02-07-2015, 09:02 AM
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