Is RAH really that bad?
#31
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Emb 170/175 FO
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First post here. Hi everyone!
I'm approaching ATP minimums, and thinking about applying with RAH. I'll be living in Indianapolis and it seems like that's going to be my best bet. Moving will not be a possibility for quite a while, so the only other option would be to commute.
I'm just looking for some opinions from you guys. Now, I've read all of the stories about how RAH has a terrible contract, long upgrades, etc. Is it really that bad? Would it be more beneficial for me to try to get on with someone else and deal with a commute to ORD or somewhere else? From everything I've heard, it seems like it'd probably be better to just deal with the negatives there and be able to live in base than have to commute. Anything else I should consider?
I'm approaching ATP minimums, and thinking about applying with RAH. I'll be living in Indianapolis and it seems like that's going to be my best bet. Moving will not be a possibility for quite a while, so the only other option would be to commute.
I'm just looking for some opinions from you guys. Now, I've read all of the stories about how RAH has a terrible contract, long upgrades, etc. Is it really that bad? Would it be more beneficial for me to try to get on with someone else and deal with a commute to ORD or somewhere else? From everything I've heard, it seems like it'd probably be better to just deal with the negatives there and be able to live in base than have to commute. Anything else I should consider?
#32
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Consider this. Probably less than 1% of each pilot group are represented on this board. And the ones who are here are typically bitter towards all airlines other than the one they work for. Look at the posting history of some of these people who consider their opinion to be gospel. When it comes to asking the Internet for advice concerning your career, consider the source.
#33
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Consider this. Probably less than 1% of each pilot group are represented on this board. And the ones who are here are typically bitter towards all airlines other than the one they work for. Look at the posting history of some of these people who consider their opinion to be gospel. When it comes to asking the Internet for advice concerning your career, consider the source.
Or you could, as in the case of many of the RAH naysayers, look at how their opinions of the company turned from positive to negative over time and realize that if you go to work for that company, you'll suffer the same fate.
OR, you could realize, as in my case, that many went to work at RAH knowing very little about how absolutely miserable it is to work for one of the most labor-hostile airline managements in history and is being of service to others by attempting to inform and educate.
There are at least three people on this very message board that failed to heed the warnings and went to RAH only to leave very shortly after...half of our attrition are FOs...those are clear indicators of serious problems.
We're not just being "cranky."
#34
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 747 FO
Posts: 175
If you can drive to base it helps mitigate the pain at RAH. Of our ridiculous bases, IND, is one of the least likely to close. BUT, we are parking planes to staff new planes and everyone KNOWS displacements are coming to help balance staffing for the UA deliveries. Upgrades are ~6.5-7 years and they'll probably drop to 5 years IF we don't park more planes.
So if you want to hangout at IND for half a decade and work under one of the worst contracts in the business while watching your peers at other carriers upgrade, move on, and make more money with more time off, then yeah RAH would be ok.
That said, it really matters what your priorities are. If priority 1 on a long term strategy is to get to a legacy, RAH is one of the last choices I'd make. If it's living it up in base and waiting till 2022 to be competitive for a legacy while not having to commute, then RAH would work (for now).
So if you want to hangout at IND for half a decade and work under one of the worst contracts in the business while watching your peers at other carriers upgrade, move on, and make more money with more time off, then yeah RAH would be ok.
That said, it really matters what your priorities are. If priority 1 on a long term strategy is to get to a legacy, RAH is one of the last choices I'd make. If it's living it up in base and waiting till 2022 to be competitive for a legacy while not having to commute, then RAH would work (for now).
#35
Consider this. Probably less than 1% of each pilot group are represented on this board. And the ones who are here are typically bitter towards all airlines other than the one they work for. Look at the posting history of some of these people who consider their opinion to be gospel. When it comes to asking the Internet for advice concerning your career, consider the source.
When I resigned 2 months ago...they ACP pilot called me to ask me why I was leaving...I told him the CQFO program at TSA...and he was like crap...thought that was going to be a problem, then he said and I quote: "we had 42 resign company wide just this week...summer is gonna be rough"
then the rumor I heard from several buddies still there that if they can't staff the current flying from the 145's, they will have to park some 170's
#36
as sh*tty a sample size it is...of the 2 dozen or so that work or have worked there...if 90% are saying its worse than syphilis of the eye...than I would take some of it with a least a bit of grain of salt.
When I resigned 2 months ago...they ACP pilot called me to ask me why I was leaving...I told him the CQFO program at TSA...and he was like crap...thought that was going to be a problem, then he said and I quote: "we had 42 resign company wide just this week...summer is gonna be rough"
then the rumor I heard from several buddies still there that if they can't staff the current flying from the 145's, they will have to park some 170's
When I resigned 2 months ago...they ACP pilot called me to ask me why I was leaving...I told him the CQFO program at TSA...and he was like crap...thought that was going to be a problem, then he said and I quote: "we had 42 resign company wide just this week...summer is gonna be rough"
then the rumor I heard from several buddies still there that if they can't staff the current flying from the 145's, they will have to park some 170's
#37
they plan to staff the 170's with pilots from the 145...but supposedly that still wont be enough
#38
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
Position: FO
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I worked there for a couple years before moving on. The schedule was halfway decent the last 6 months before I left (I bid 10 of 60 in base). Everything else was tough, plan on making 1600/bucks per month after taxes, the work rules are pretty bad, and there was no upgrade in sight though I hear it's gotten a lot better since I bailed. If you live in base it's tolerable though.
#39
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All I have to add to this thread as a former RAH FO that lived in base at a hub, RAH is long term pain without any real gain. Your goal should be short term pain for long term gain. Give up about 4-5 years commutting to a regional with a decent upgrade and contract (qol) for a quicker path to a real job (legacy).
You may get to live in base at RAH but after five years of making less than 40k, you are going to wish you had gone to TSA, PSA or anywhere better. The amount of income lost over your career from living in base at RAH vs a quick movement regional is astronomical.
You may get to live in base at RAH but after five years of making less than 40k, you are going to wish you had gone to TSA, PSA or anywhere better. The amount of income lost over your career from living in base at RAH vs a quick movement regional is astronomical.
#40
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 926
The above is typical of RAH's manner of doing business. They have absolutely no regard for crew members.
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