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Old 12-06-2014, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
This is not the case under the new electronic PRIA (yet to be enacted but scheduled). Pilots need to educate themselves on this. The electronic version is one stop shopping and continues for the life of the pilot including written test and practical test results. Everything on microfiche in OKC is being digitized. Incidents and accidents previously expunged after five years will remain indefinitely. This is a little known clause buried in the aviation safety act passed after the Colgan crash. To really get a sense of the impact you need to read the legislation.

I spent 6+ weeks researching this including collaboration with the FAA and NTSB. Also included are terminations (even in 91 ops) even if unrelated to flying ability. If you tick off Mr. high net worth individual and he fires you, it's reportable under the new PRIA.
Interesting, when does the "electronic version" become live? So you are saying if someone got fired from a flying job 10, 15 or 20 years ago it would show forever?

Airlines check your work history as it is now, they call previous employers and can find out if you were terminated or not.
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Old 12-06-2014, 12:10 PM
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Any check ride that is for a rating is PRIA reportable. If you fill out an 8710 it is reportable. If you just busted a stage check or end of course part 141 it is not.
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Old 12-06-2014, 12:14 PM
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I have often wondered what percentage of pilots have some sort of bust on their record. Whether it be an old 61 bust, 141 EOC, PC, oral, written or something else.
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Old 12-06-2014, 12:29 PM
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So am I understanding this correctly...up until 2012 airman records were still on microfiche? 2012? And it took an act of congress to put it on a computer? In 2012?
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Old 12-06-2014, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
When I did my PRIA request it only had my FAA DPE check ride fails, however I found out today that my 141 Standardization fails would be on there too as they are a regulatory training event. It was always my understanding that only check rides done by a DPE were on the PRIA report. Supposedly though after the Colgan crash where the Captain was from a 141 school the FAA has been scrutinizing and pushing to get it placed on the PRIA. I haven't failed a check ride in 9 years but they are def a factor in my ability get hired at mainline :/
Imagine the headlines: "Pilot of accident aircraft had a history of failed checkrides"

If I was in HR at a major, that would be a huge liability red flag against you.
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Old 12-06-2014, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rcfd13
When someone is applying for a job with a major I don't see how 'trends' that happened 10+ years ago in PPL and IR training should have any weight on whether they get the job. Your performance in 121/135 jobs and training programs would show the better trend as far as how you'll do at a major.
It'a all about the majors limiting their exposure to liability.
Headline: Pilot of accident aircraft had a history of failed checkrides.
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Old 12-06-2014, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Std Deviation
The NTSB and Congress do not agree with that premise. Years ago the NTSB was looking at requiring the FAA to exclude those with multiple failures from getting any 135/121 job. It did not gain traction and was dropped. Basically after a certain number of busts you were done for good.
I would be in total favor of that.
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Old 12-06-2014, 01:19 PM
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I would be in total favor of that.
And how many is too many? You bust your PPL once and CFI Twice your career is over? That's BS.

You bust your ATP, some PCs and a upgrade? Yes, then that's a trend. But besides 3407, is there a correlation between training busts and accidents?
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Old 12-06-2014, 01:25 PM
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I would be in total favor of that.
What about pilots with DUIs? Criminal records? Speeding tickets? Are those any better then training busts? Should 135/121 operators not be legally allowed to hire those types too?
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Old 12-06-2014, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DryMotorBoatin
So am I understanding this correctly...up until 2012 airman records were still on microfiche? 2012? And it took an act of congress to put it on a computer? In 2012?
PRIA records are still held by airlines. Airmen records are supposedly being digitized in OKC.

For a government agency to undertake a massive IT effort such as scanning millions of documents or setting up a massive database (like a centralized PRIA database), funding is required. Manpower is required.

The FAA operates on a shoestring budget with a minimal staff that is constantly fluctuating with every reauthorization act/administration. After repeated series of Republican budget cuts at the Federal level over the last decade, it shouldn't surprise anyone that things are still stored on microfilm in OKC.
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