CBreezy

In order to fit the rhetoric, Satpak is allowed to only read select words and make up whatever context bets fits the argument.

flynavyj

I have to believe that'd make a noticeable difference. Might make a difference for me (still a 50% pay cut to get back in) but at least it's "less" insulting...Kinda sad that the kid I hire to make aviation charts who's a fresh college graduate is hired making $58k/year...while pilots are chasing $40k/year.

Cubdriver

This is the kind of pay regional FOs should be getting (~$58k). I started in engineering right out of school some years ago a tad less than that. The job I got required nothing but an engineering degree. We had a lengthy discussion of what new hire pay should be at regionals a few months ago in order to bring pay in line with similar jobs in other professional fields (page 4+ in the thread linked below). If anything, airlines should pay more than similar jobs in other fields because of the higher responsibility and factors like extensive FAA certification and inability to switch companies without losing seniority. Picking a number out of the air, low $60s sounds about right to me depending on the location.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/re...-shortage.html

CBreezy

Many mainline FOs don't get that first year

Cubdriver

What's the point? So they're paid under what should be an appropriate professional wage for their education, skill, training and experience. The pilot glut drives down wages everywhere.

CBreezy

So you hate capitalism because that is exactly the point. A surplus in labor drives down wages. If you think aviation is the only sector to be working for less than their perceived worked, you are ignorant. Social work now essentially requires a master's degree. What is their earning potential over 10 years? What marketing graduates? Even doctors complain.

$1 million mistake: Becoming a doctor - CBS News

So what is your solution?

Cubdriver

I still do not get what you are after. Yes, capitalism and its markets determine the going wages for pilots, and pilots at the low end have terrible wages right now compared to other fields with similar education, certification, training, skill, responsibility and so on because the markets put them there. I guess you are in agreement about that(?). But then you make this sort of hot-sounding demand that I present my solution. I have no solution, just more market forces doing the same thing.

Pilot wages will come up whenever there is a genuine pilot shortage. There is no deep, genuine pilot shortage now so they will not come up very much, assuming they come up any. There does seem to be a mild change in trends lately with small base pay raises for some entry-level airline pilots at a few firms like Great Lakes.

That's it, that's the solution. My purpose is to understand it, and that's all. I am for clarity and understanding of the issues, and no other motive. I would love to see pilots get the pay they deserve, but it's not within my power to do very much about it.

JamesNoBrakes

You are right. Anyone who is using the regionals to get to the legacies does not really believe pilots deserve better pay, they just want to get "through" the regionals as fast as they can.

satpak77

Thats fine for those who believe in the pilot shortage. I, and many others, to include the largest pilot union in the world, think otherwise.

Carry on and Merry Christmas