ENY's incompetent MEC
11-25-2014, 05:15 AM
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ENY's incompetent MEC
Well folks, I don't know why our MEC continues to hide specifics from you, but here are some more.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
11-25-2014, 05:20 AM
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Well folks, I don't know why our MEC continues to hide specifics from you, but here are some more.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
11-25-2014, 05:45 AM
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You can thank Team Tony for selling our scope first and foremost. That's what has made all of this possible. Next, you can ask yourself why hasn't the placement of the other 175s been yet announced? Why send our old junk to other carriers who will now not have the pilots needed to fly the more important 175s? It's fairly simple: either we will be flying the 175s, and thanks to our high attrition rate, space needs to be made for the new aircraft; or the plan has always been to shrink and liquidate. Both scenarios cannot be changed by agreeing to more concessions beyond those that were given during bankruptcy. Business is (dirty) business, and the plan has been set from a long time ago. This temporary theatre of quassi negotiations serves other purposes; making a deal for a few pennies during billions in profits is not needed by AAG. So, either they will have our "expensive" lifer captains flying more seats, or they will recycle the entire group. The only thing that can save us is if the blatant pilot shortage continues to domino in our favor. More concessions will only ensure a more cruel death, like was seen at Comair, or is now taking form at Endeavor.
11-25-2014, 06:28 AM
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Well folks, I don't know why our MEC continues to hide specifics from you, but here are some more.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
Sincerely,
Jerry G
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We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
Sincerely,
Jerry G
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11-25-2014, 06:46 AM
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Publicphone, the only people who did not know what you posted are already yes votes for you. The team Tony scum scabs, the weak and spineless, those who shi+ in there pants when they see the sun.
Now go back and sit on parkers lolly pop and do the twist.
Now go back and sit on parkers lolly pop and do the twist.
11-25-2014, 06:49 AM
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Read his post. He uses "your elected" not our! You have to love when managment keeps trying to push their agenda!
Even if they put it to a vote it would still be shot down like it was in March. Until the compny changes what they are offering to us the answer is the same "NO"
Even if they put it to a vote it would still be shot down like it was in March. Until the compny changes what they are offering to us the answer is the same "NO"
11-25-2014, 06:50 AM
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now go back to your company cubicle.
11-25-2014, 06:58 AM
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So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing.
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