ENY's incompetent MEC
11-27-2014, 07:33 AM
#61
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Muddying up the water with distractions like that isn't improving your results. 
11-27-2014, 07:40 AM
#62
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this mec s has done nothing that is detrimental to this pilot group like the tony scum era unless your point is that they have not bent over the pilots as the tony scum era had. the tony era lied about scope, they lied about fleet they lied about the sun does not rise in the morning and now we have a brush fire.
your point about the current mec is bull but serves management trolling.
your point about the current mec is bull but serves management trolling.
Is the solution of the hope of cure to CONTINUE to do all those same things or make hard and painful lifestyle change in addition to undergoing unpleasant treatment ?
It's going to get worse before its gets better, but the only hope of reversing this situation and minimizing the symptoms is change and that includes some temporarily painful treatment. Come sometime next Summer, if the present treatment plan is maintained, I think it will be shown that this "cancer" can be treated. Again, one major key is to avoid the promises of periodic snake oil hucksters trying to sell you their cure for your problem. They work for the cancer itself and are simply a dead-end path to destruction.
11-27-2014, 01:03 PM
#63
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I wish that was the case. But its more like the cancer has eaten away one of your legs and one arm. And for some reason you are under the impression they will grow back. Also doing nothing about the cancer will cause it not to spread. We are all most at stage five in my opinion.
11-27-2014, 01:06 PM
#64
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I wish that was the case. But its more like the cancer has eaten away one of your legs and one arm. And for some reason you are under the impression they will grow back. Also doing nothing about the cancer will cause it not to spread. We are all most at stage five in my opinion.
11-27-2014, 06:46 PM
#67
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you're an envoy "new hire" ?
Lol !!! You join last month, list yourself as a new-hire and then pontificate like a long-time envoy (eagle) veteran and expert who has this situation completely figured out ?
Lolouder !!!
You're a fake.
3200 pilots was well before any of this business with parker started, so stop falsely inflating the situation to assist in selling your agenda. The fact is that once the merger occurred, there were over 10 regionals feeding the combined entity and diversification was inevitable. To think envoy would have become the king of eagles is misguided error, but is sold by those stumping for the interests of management. Like you.
Additionally, the regional feed network will be smaller........much smaller due to the realities of the ever decreasing availability of pilots and will comprise of all larger rj aircraft in the 64-76 seat range. Look for perhaps 300 or so jets and that means the overall network will shrink by half from its present state. Divided among 3-4 feeders, that's 75-100 aircraft a piece (ultimately). Some of these feeders will merge (envoy) and others will vaporize. What everyone is seeing now is simply a temporary stopgap pawn shuffling to plug the dike holes (which is failing) while getting some additional reduction in costs.
It would behoove all those affected to look at the long-term end game big picture, instead of focusing on small, temporary acts designed to instill fud (fear, uncertainty, desperation (or doubt)). Listen to some of the dike holes here;
they claim to be scared, claim you should be scared and preach fear.
They claim disaster is all but certain on the present path and preach uncertainty.
They beg, plead and cry to the heavens that something must be done and now preaching desperation (and doubt).
Like another said, relax, take a deep breath and for god's sake, don't listen to jerry's dike holes !
Lol !!! You join last month, list yourself as a new-hire and then pontificate like a long-time envoy (eagle) veteran and expert who has this situation completely figured out ?
Lolouder !!!
You're a fake.
3200 pilots was well before any of this business with parker started, so stop falsely inflating the situation to assist in selling your agenda. The fact is that once the merger occurred, there were over 10 regionals feeding the combined entity and diversification was inevitable. To think envoy would have become the king of eagles is misguided error, but is sold by those stumping for the interests of management. Like you.
Additionally, the regional feed network will be smaller........much smaller due to the realities of the ever decreasing availability of pilots and will comprise of all larger rj aircraft in the 64-76 seat range. Look for perhaps 300 or so jets and that means the overall network will shrink by half from its present state. Divided among 3-4 feeders, that's 75-100 aircraft a piece (ultimately). Some of these feeders will merge (envoy) and others will vaporize. What everyone is seeing now is simply a temporary stopgap pawn shuffling to plug the dike holes (which is failing) while getting some additional reduction in costs.
It would behoove all those affected to look at the long-term end game big picture, instead of focusing on small, temporary acts designed to instill fud (fear, uncertainty, desperation (or doubt)). Listen to some of the dike holes here;
they claim to be scared, claim you should be scared and preach fear.
They claim disaster is all but certain on the present path and preach uncertainty.
They beg, plead and cry to the heavens that something must be done and now preaching desperation (and doubt).
Like another said, relax, take a deep breath and for god's sake, don't listen to jerry's dike holes !
11-28-2014, 03:31 AM
#68
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11-28-2014, 09:26 AM
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Already announced by the company (and has changed several times)
Already announced by the company
Already announced by the company
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing.
and wrong again. Was there for the whole mess you tried to sell.
if your fleet gurantee is 40 jets; then you should refer back to your own post a few paragraphs up where you claim we get shut down with less than 70 jets... so again, put up or shut up.
actually, we really don't know what they're offering, since Glass went to go work with the APA, and has been rumored to have said the economics have changed.... again. I do know this, the enhanced flow you THINK you know about, was not a gain, it was a regression. However, nobody ever saw the final deal, so it's pointless to debate it.... yet.
Nope, and as a matter of fact, I clearly identified on the LEC teleconference that the caps were a big issue for the folks on property in the failed TA because the company had no skin in the game if the flow through stopped.
so far, I haven't seen anything in your post that wasn't already public knowledge... other than your rock throwing, your post is little more than trolling and flame bait.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
There is no proposal. If you got union emails you'd already know that; but since youre a management troll, you obviously are here to spread lies and disinformation. Got news for you pal; the more you keep this crap up... the more unified this pilot group is becoming against the strongarm tactics being employed by the greediest corporation in the history of American capatalism.
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