ENY's incompetent MEC
11-25-2014, 09:33 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Reverse Cowgirl
Posts: 546
Well folks, I don't know why our MEC continues to hide specifics from you, but here are some more.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
We begin transferring our CRJs to PSA in June of 2015.
We will park the remaining 38 EMB140s in 2015.
We will transfer 15 EMB145s to Trans States in 2015.
Then, we will transfer another 15 EMB145s to a yet unnamed airline in 2016.
We will transfer another 20 EMB145s to Piedmont, all in 2016.
That means that we will have gone from over 300 aircraft at the end of 2008 to 68 airplanes by the end of 2016. Additionally, the company disclosed a long time ago that with less than 70 aircraft on property, the flight department could not make a profit and would be liquidated.
So let's think this through. A few months ago, we had the opportunity to lock in 170 aircraft guarantee with NO wiggle room for management, despite Ray Igou's current lies about management having the ability to stop the flow or reduce the aircraft guarantee due to staffing. Not only was Ray Igou not there at the time, but his individual has already proven his gross inability to maintain any actual facts as was again proven on Council 121's teleconference.
So management is still offering a fleet guarantee, an enhanced flow, and relief on the 12/4 caps, should AA slow or stop its hiring. But our self-serving MEC continues to hide the ball.
Someone should please help me understand how your elected representatives have helped you. They have lost 40 aircraft from the fleet guarantee, they have lost most of the 145s, the have lost our CRJs and the promised 900s, they have lost all credibility with the APA, and they are jeopardizing the flow through for the rest of us.
Tell the MEC to put the proposal out for a vote and to get their self-serving personalities out of the way.
They screwed the pooch.
Can't believe people are dumb enough to follow these people.
11-25-2014, 10:08 PM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 200
Even if it went out for vote it would be a NO !! We're prepared for a shutdown. We'll all have better jobs elsewhere. Go ahead. Were actually enjoying the show. Have us operate all 175's over at AA with 30K bonus each along with a AA seniority number and then we MIGHT consider it, even tho it'll most likely be a NO just cause we love to say NO.
You're messing with the wrong group. Good luck. You'll need it.
You're messing with the wrong group. Good luck. You'll need it.
11-26-2014, 06:18 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Posts: 744
Slightly off topic,.....
“This transfer is solely driven by forecasts showing an insufficient number of pilots at Envoy in 2015 to operate our planned schedule,” American SVP-regional carriers Kenji Hashimoto said in a letter to Envoy employees.
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This leads me to two thoughts/questions. Is AAG taking this opportunity to:
1) lower their costs by getting rid of their highest-cost regional affiliate and transferring aircraft to other regional affiliates who's cost will (initially) continue to decline, while
2) using a (self-induced) staffing shortage at Envoy as proof that government regulation is causing a shortage of available pilots and that the government must relax the new experience requirements for 121 first officers so that the (voting) public will not be unfairly burdened and inconvenienced by cancelled flights and reductions in service to smaller communities.
Just something to think about. God knows that Parker, Glass, Kirby, et al. are always thinking.
“This transfer is solely driven by forecasts showing an insufficient number of pilots at Envoy in 2015 to operate our planned schedule,” American SVP-regional carriers Kenji Hashimoto said in a letter to Envoy employees.
*********************************************
This leads me to two thoughts/questions. Is AAG taking this opportunity to:
1) lower their costs by getting rid of their highest-cost regional affiliate and transferring aircraft to other regional affiliates who's cost will (initially) continue to decline, while
2) using a (self-induced) staffing shortage at Envoy as proof that government regulation is causing a shortage of available pilots and that the government must relax the new experience requirements for 121 first officers so that the (voting) public will not be unfairly burdened and inconvenienced by cancelled flights and reductions in service to smaller communities.
Just something to think about. God knows that Parker, Glass, Kirby, et al. are always thinking.
11-26-2014, 07:01 AM
#34
Does NOT get weekends off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: ERJ - 145
Posts: 1,631
Slightly off topic,.....
“This transfer is solely driven by forecasts showing an insufficient number of pilots at Envoy in 2015 to operate our planned schedule,” American SVP-regional carriers Kenji Hashimoto said in a letter to Envoy employees.
*********************************************
This leads me to two thoughts/questions. Is AAG taking this opportunity to:
1) lower their costs by getting rid of their highest-cost regional affiliate and transferring aircraft to other regional affiliates who's cost will (initially) continue to decline, while
2) using a (self-induced) staffing shortage at Envoy as proof that government regulation is causing a shortage of available pilots and that the government must relax the new experience requirements for 121 first officers so that the (voting) public will not be unfairly burdened and inconvenienced by cancelled flights and reductions in service to smaller communities.
Just something to think about. God knows that Parker, Glass, Kirby, et al. are always thinking.
“This transfer is solely driven by forecasts showing an insufficient number of pilots at Envoy in 2015 to operate our planned schedule,” American SVP-regional carriers Kenji Hashimoto said in a letter to Envoy employees.
*********************************************
This leads me to two thoughts/questions. Is AAG taking this opportunity to:
1) lower their costs by getting rid of their highest-cost regional affiliate and transferring aircraft to other regional affiliates who's cost will (initially) continue to decline, while
2) using a (self-induced) staffing shortage at Envoy as proof that government regulation is causing a shortage of available pilots and that the government must relax the new experience requirements for 121 first officers so that the (voting) public will not be unfairly burdened and inconvenienced by cancelled flights and reductions in service to smaller communities.
Just something to think about. God knows that Parker, Glass, Kirby, et al. are always thinking.
As for 2), I don't think so. They would have a hard time arguing that because they have successfully placed the aircraft at other locations. If they were unable to do so, and thus had to start cutting service to locations (Great Lakes, ie) then you would see them making a push.
11-26-2014, 07:59 AM
#35
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
No one is going to lose a job. The plan is to consolidate some of the "Eagle's" anyway and it doesn't matter what size Envoy is when that occurs. The in-house Eagle will be an E-175 only operation and ultimately Envoy pilots who stay will fly them at the consolidated carrier.
11-26-2014, 08:46 AM
#37
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: middle seat in the back
Posts: 232
Take the offer and then wait and see. I would think that by May it will be pretty clear if Envoy is hopeless or not.
11-26-2014, 09:19 AM
#38
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 490
"Positive rate, gear up. When did you get hired?"
"1997".
"Rookie!"
11-26-2014, 09:24 AM
#39
Does NOT get weekends off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: ERJ - 145
Posts: 1,631
"Nice landing, my aircraft (engages tiller), lock em up after landing checklist"... still at 135 knots.
Take the offer, if they will let you select a May class (they might not). You will have plenty of time to go for something else between now and then. IF you get another offer, take it unless some miracle happens at Envoy. But I have started buying lottery tickets again and I have far more confidence in that.
11-26-2014, 10:03 AM
#40
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: Qualified to carry liquids through security.
Posts: 771
I agree with use2fly. Take the offer and see how this place is come May. The MEC meets next week to discuss a proposal (i can't remember if this is the 5th, 6th, 7th or what). That should help define what our future looks like. (Although, for the past 2 yrs I've been saying stuff like that.)
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