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Old 11-23-2014, 11:14 AM
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Are you asking, in a round about way, why 9L hasn't been merged into the DL list?
I think he's asking if VX/JB/SkyBusII/etc would get full relative. The answer is no, not even close.
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Old 11-23-2014, 05:27 PM
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I think he's asking if VX/JB/SkyBusII/etc would get full relative. The answer is no, not even close.
jetBlue's MEC might disagree with that
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Alpa is a fake union that is just a political mess of fat guys with soft wieners. Move along
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
Lets say Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Richard Branson decide to start up a new mainline operation. Their pilots also join ALPA. Many of the pilots that got hired at the new carrier were good but didn't get a CJO from DAL when they applied to DAL but were able to get on at the new company. The new company has many less experiences pilots compared to most regionals. Now due to competition DAL decides to buyout or merge the new company and it happens. The new company was operating similar gage equipment to DAL and therefore the mccaskill bond amendment applies I think and like NWA just merge seniority list after an agreement is reached. Nobody needs to take any test or be reinterviewed . Am I correct in this assumption?
Holey moley, what did I just read?

DL's contract has scope, and if the company buys another company that operates equipment that is not permitted to be outsourced by our scope, then it must be merged (and the resulting seniority list integration).

9E operate equipment that is permitted to be operated in an outsourced manner, so no merger and no SLI.
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Originally Posted by CanoeBum
jetBlue's MEC might disagree with that
There is a 100% chance they would disagree with that. They will fight hard to get a full relative windfall. But they won't get it, and the fact that they will 100% try for one could be their undoing. But the temptation is there, they will hide behind the "honor and integriey of the process" and gamble their futures chasing the pipe dream.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Holey moley, what did I just read?

DL's contract has scope, and if the company buys another company that operates equipment that is not permitted to be outsourced by our scope, then it must be merged (and the resulting seniority list integration).

9E operate equipment that is permitted to be operated in an outsourced manner, so no merger and no SLI.
DL scope can be modified by DL pilots to allow a temporary "operate separately and phase out" Loganville Holdings scenario if the other group in question decided to overplay their hand and gamble with full relative in arbitration. DL pilots are under no obligation to accommodate that risk.
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
Lets say Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Richard Branson decide to start up a new mainline operation. Their pilots also join ALPA. Many of the pilots that got hired at the new carrier were good but didn't get a CJO from DAL when they applied to DAL but were able to get on at the new company. The new company has many less experiences pilots compared to most regionals. Now due to competition DAL decides to buyout or merge the new company and it happens. The new company was operating similar gage equipment to DAL and therefore the mccaskill bond amendment applies I think and like NWA just merge seniority list after an agreement is reached. Nobody needs to take any test or be reinterviewed . Am I correct in this assumption?

In other words, YOU were shot down by Delta and are hoping to get on with some bottom feeding startup that you fantasize will get bought by Delta and Delta will be FORCED to take you, even though you blew your Delta interview.
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In other words, YOU were shot down by Delta and are hoping to get on with some bottom feeding startup that you fantasize will get bought by Delta and Delta will be FORCED to take you, even though you blew your Delta interview.
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That's exactly what he's asking.
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Originally Posted by jethikoki
Thanks for your well thought out replies gentleman and sorry to offend those with far superior English intellect. Just wondering why we have to accept the antiquated "Jim Crow laws" when a mainline buys a regional if my above example is correct.
Dude! Jim Crow Laws? Really?

You asked about merging two mainline carriers (one new entrant) under ALPA merger policy. Now you're suggesting that there's racial segregation "when a mainline buys a regional".

Priceless!
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