TSA getting 15 airplanes to fly for AA.
12-01-2014, 11:43 AM
#171
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People who say it's a scam or a bad deal should take a cognitive exam and then go see a head doctor.... Lemme rephrase, if you are an FO at your current gig and like it there and want to stay there and chuck gear until the legacies call, then yes it's a terrible deal. But despite everyone saying PIC doesn't matter anymore, how many people without it have been hired that aren't extremely well connected? If you think that is you, then see my first sentence again.
12-01-2014, 12:07 PM
#173
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The doubling/tripling in size takes place through first quarter 2016. We don't need to hire 1000 people in 9 months. How stupid are some of you guys? Endeavor vs TSA right now and you say Endeavor? I should just stop right there.... Does mommy still breast feed too? Let mommy change your diaper, and then go play with the other kids..run along now.
12-01-2014, 12:11 PM
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Papamike gives solid logical numbers and you throw poo at him in response. He is right: chasing a quick upgrade at TSA is extremely risky and the numbers don't support a move. A lateral mover would be better off at a place with a solid contract, like Air Whiskey, Compass, or Skywest. Hoping for a quick upgrade at one of the industries notorious bottom feeders just doesn't seem like a smart move.
12-01-2014, 12:13 PM
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Papamike gives solid logical numbers and you throw poo at him in response. He is right: chasing a quick upgrade at TSA is extremely risky and the numbers don't support a move. A lateral mover would be better off at a place with a solid contract, like Air Whiskey, Compass, or Skywest. Hoping for a quick upgrade at one of the industries notorious bottom feeders just doesn't seem like a smart move.
12-01-2014, 12:21 PM
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Yet interestingly enough people still are flocking to PSA, even though they have 1000 pilots and need only 14-1500. The quick upgrade has sailed there as well yet people still apply. The numbers support the move for the first people on, much like at compass or psa. Then afterwards you have to look at a lot of factors. Even if you do miss the quick upgrade, it's hard to argue with a place like PSA or TSA if you can be a senior FO fairly quickly. Is it better to sit reserve at a place like endeavor or envoy? That's up to you
Why don't you and your buddies try the truth approach: "We are in a position to benefit most from this if we peddle some lies and screw over a few people. We are so blinded by personal ambition that we cannot even see it".
PSA is going to be in trouble pretty quick. The lateral moves will slow drastically soon.
12-01-2014, 12:22 PM
#177
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Papamike gives solid logical numbers and you throw poo at him in response. He is right: chasing a quick upgrade at TSA is extremely risky and the numbers don't support a move. A lateral mover would be better off at a place with a solid contract, like Air Whiskey, Compass, or Skywest. Hoping for a quick upgrade at one of the industries notorious bottom feeders just doesn't seem like a smart move.
Guys that come in say January - March with 1500 total will be a 15-18 month upgrade as long as they work hard. Attrition will help those guys and for the majority of their time here prior to upgrade hey will be senior FO's.
TSA staffs at 5.5-6 crews per airplane. So let's just lay this out in simple terms for master math guy up there. 10 people/airplane (5 captains and 5 FO's) x 50 aircraft approximately equals 500. We need to hire 500 people over the next 15-18 months. Not 1000. No one said a CFI that gets hired in January will upgrade in 9 months. Someone coming in that's close to the time anywhere between now and most likely summer will upgrade in less than 12 months.
So I apologize for "pooing", but his statement was sh*t to begin with.
12-01-2014, 12:22 PM
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So we have gone from trying to sell people here on a quick upgrade to "well at least you'll be a senior FO if you get in soon!".
Why don't you and your buddies try the truth approach: "We are in a position to benefit most from this if we peddle some lies and screw over a few people. We are so blinded by personal ambition that we cannot even see it".
PSA is going to be in trouble pretty quick. The lateral moves will slow drastically soon.
Why don't you and your buddies try the truth approach: "We are in a position to benefit most from this if we peddle some lies and screw over a few people. We are so blinded by personal ambition that we cannot even see it".
PSA is going to be in trouble pretty quick. The lateral moves will slow drastically soon.
12-01-2014, 12:36 PM
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APC is showing 370 pilots on property. Old info but good baseline since that was the number before this charade started.
If they just double in size they would need to hire 370 in 9 months just to have everyone currently on property upgrade. No new hires would upgrade.
If their end game was 900 pilots they would need to hire 530 pilots for the just the first 80 new hires to upgrade. You are looking at needing 1000 pilots hired in the next 9 months to for this magical 9 month upgrade everyone believes they will get and yeah they still dont understand there needs to be hundreds and hundreds of FO's who wont see upgrade for several years. Who's going to want to do that?
As a new hire to the industry you stand to make almost 90 grand in 2 years at endeavor. Where are you going to get these new FOs once all the jumpers from prior regionals stop going there? If you don't get one of the few CQFO slots it doesn't make much sense to go there and even then, there's no guarantee you'll see left seat if they can't staff. You need so many guys willing to come in behind you.
If they just double in size they would need to hire 370 in 9 months just to have everyone currently on property upgrade. No new hires would upgrade.
If their end game was 900 pilots they would need to hire 530 pilots for the just the first 80 new hires to upgrade. You are looking at needing 1000 pilots hired in the next 9 months to for this magical 9 month upgrade everyone believes they will get and yeah they still dont understand there needs to be hundreds and hundreds of FO's who wont see upgrade for several years. Who's going to want to do that?
As a new hire to the industry you stand to make almost 90 grand in 2 years at endeavor. Where are you going to get these new FOs once all the jumpers from prior regionals stop going there? If you don't get one of the few CQFO slots it doesn't make much sense to go there and even then, there's no guarantee you'll see left seat if they can't staff. You need so many guys willing to come in behind you.
Still laughing about the Endeavor comment....doesn't the company still have to exist for this "retention bonus?" Go to Endeavor, and we will talk in a year.
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