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Old 09-26-2014, 02:12 PM
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If that happens, the profession is done, 89 seats can fill just about any market with high frequency.

My biggest fear is that the majority of legacy guys are close to retirement, and they need money now.
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If some of you would go do some reading elsewhere except the regional forum I think you'd find plenty of mainline pilots well aware of the dangers to everyone of relaxing scope in this environment.

Now, never say never, but I think there's enough former regional guys who have moved on who experienced what the growing fleets of regional aircraft did to their careers to forestall any relaxation in scope. If the above mentioned thread is any indication Parker will likely receive a very cold shoulder to any changes in scope.
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Originally Posted by tom11011

PSA pilots without knowing or intending may have struck a far more serious blow to the profession than anyone realized or could predict. 12/4 represents extreme danger.
Don't fool yourself, PSA (and PDT for that matter) knew EXACTLY what they were doing. They wanted bigger jets, and PDT wanted flow. They sold everyone else out to get theirs.

The proof that they knew EXACTLY what they were doing is how hard they fight to justify their actions to everyone else.


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The actual number we've been hearing is 5 extra seats which makes it 81.. And the answer is still NO!
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AAG is asking for 89 seats and for now no mention of weight limit where you get 5 sests. Besides there A321 jfk to lax and sfo have 102 seats. Looks like a home is being made for the c 300 and e195 at the aag low ballers. Get towels your pants are getting wet at psa and pdt.
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God help us all if regionals get 89 seat aircraft. I remember reading about the introduction of B-scales in Hard Landing; pilots who are fat and happy can and will lose empathy for those below them and blissfully sell them out for that slightly improved paycheck. I sincerely hope enough legacy pilots do remember what it was like and stick to their guns on scope, but many might be looking to make up lost income from the last decade...
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Old 09-26-2014, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
89 seat aircraft will be ordered in large numbers.
Scope change will be given for delta + 3% and PROFIT SHARING. As they APA have been told no profit sharing but that is negotiable as is scope. quid pro quo.

limited hiring at AA cover percentage of retirements and the stagnation at AA and screeching halt to regional flow through, now the 12/4 cap makes sense to all, which is what i have been saying.

The fun has just begun.
Have to disagree with you on the certainty of this ardvark. 89-seaters are essentially mixed-class E-190's and if APA agreed to this for anything, there would be a pitchfork party by the line pilots with them as the main course. I understand as an Envoy lifer who plans to ride that carrier into the ground this would be good for you, but you're premature in your assumptions.
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Originally Posted by skyxbomb
Delta rate plus 3% is a big carrot.

History does repeat itself. I hope I'm wrong.
Um, no it's not. We're already getting parity, for an extra 3% or $5 for f/os and $8 for CAs?

It's gonna have to get a lot higher than that to get guys jumping on board.
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
God help us all if regionals get 89 seat aircraft.
Says the individual who operates 79 seat aircraft...

What would you vote yes for?
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Originally Posted by senecaii
don't fool yourself, psa (and pdt for that matter) knew exactly what they were doing. They wanted bigger jets, and pdt wanted flow. They sold everyone else out to get theirs.

The proof that they knew exactly what they were doing is how hard they fight to justify their actions to everyone else.


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