"Thanks for taking concessions!"
08-22-2014, 11:48 AM
#21
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,270
What industry are you headed to? Best of luck, don't leave with any sick time. I agree about flows, I think 100% of mainline new hires should come from a flow in seniority order. No more special candidates getting to skip their turn in line and get hired after 9 months in an RJ when guys with 10k TPIC can't get called.
I was an FO for 4 years, I flew with some great CAs (almost all who moved on, the ones who didn't it was a personal choice it seems) and a lot of guys I would not want to fly with again and IMO give such a crap about the job they do. They lack people/customer service skills, don't care about saving the CO money, wear dirty, old uniforms, etc.
If you look at a seniority list of your typical commuter, you'll have the top 20% or so be lifers, than a large gap in employee numbers after them to the fairly newly upgraded guys. The guys at the top have had ample time to move on.
08-22-2014, 12:04 PM
#22
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Regionals as the pathway to Majors?
If only I could be as equally deluded as people who think that. How many Majors are hiring regional guys and at what % of their class? Answer: few at a low %, in fact most of them that are hired are indeed flow threw. So if you don't have a flow threw, you are SoL. Maybe people that are new or corporate, or prior military believe that crap, but news flash: Age 65 has kept pilots in the right seat of RJs for past 5 years, and there was all the economic problems (housing stocks jobs) and even 9/11 before that.
If only I could be as equally deluded as people who think that. How many Majors are hiring regional guys and at what % of their class? Answer: few at a low %, in fact most of them that are hired are indeed flow threw. So if you don't have a flow threw, you are SoL. Maybe people that are new or corporate, or prior military believe that crap, but news flash: Age 65 has kept pilots in the right seat of RJs for past 5 years, and there was all the economic problems (housing stocks jobs) and even 9/11 before that.
Someone had a post in the Major forums a while back asking if there were any automatic disqualifiers from getting hired, yes there is......work at a regional. Why on earth would they hire you for more $$ when you work for slave wages flying their aircraft and passengers and colors already?
08-22-2014, 12:41 PM
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 136
08-22-2014, 12:50 PM
#26
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
The majority of them are regional. 115ish of them were CPZ flow through. The pinnacle guaranteed interview made up most of the rest of the civilian, but now with the CPZ flow done for the year and hiring upped to 85 pilots a month, many more regional off the street guys will have their chance.
08-22-2014, 12:53 PM
#27
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,270
The majority of them are regional. 115ish of them were CPZ flow through. The pinnacle guaranteed interview made up most of the rest of the civilian, but now with the CPZ flow done for the year and hiring upped to 85 pilots a month, many more regional off the street guys will have their chance.
Airways was 1/3 mil, 1/3 regional, 1/3 corporate it seems. No idea what it is now, now that AA is doing everything. Probably 85% military, 15% regional as far as outside hires go judging by the calls that are going out. Practically everyone is ex-mil. Surprising, because AA's contract is the least desirable of the legacies, if you were ex-mil with that sort of pedigree I'd be going to the top carrier not settling.
08-22-2014, 12:55 PM
#28
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
Noticing a trend?
08-22-2014, 12:59 PM
#29
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 3,270
FedEx has always been heavy mil, same with AA. Wonder what draws each particular group to those carriers. Wonder if it's the hiring dept that is made up of military, or what.
08-22-2014, 01:00 PM
#30
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2011
Posts: 136
I like my way better. And the point I think people are glossing over is that there will always be the chants of "Your shot at the Majors is just around the corner" or "Impending pilot shortage". But the past decade has pretty much proven that's been a lie. Is it's 'truly' different this time?
