Std Deviation

I think if I made that kind of coin I'd ditch the crash pad and opt for a nice hotel (insert frugal pilot joke here...)

minimwage4

Hahaha I've been reading your stuff for a while mostly cuz it's everywhere but you're the one that's hoping for to sell your soul for that flow to AA yet you want unity and good wages for all at the regionals. Yea right.

Bzzt

I'm not flowing, even if given the chance.

There is no unity in the regionals and there won't be, that's why I advocate taking contracts. The only thing that will change our qol is if this pilot shortage actually hampers operations (it won't). My advice is to make the best of a bad situation, take the offered contract and build your resume.

minimwage4

I'm sure.......

Mesabah

The pilot shortage will not result in higher wages, in fact, it will be the opposite, as the undesirables, who can't go anywhere else try and keep the doors open.

Bzzt

I'm out of the industry soon, but even if I stayed and the flow reached me in ~9 years I'd be too old to take it. My window was about 2 more years but I'm bailing early, the prospects in this industry just don't look good. I do believe a flow is the only chance regular guys have at mainline employment, so I think contracts with flow options are good ideas.

CptGSXR

Regionals as the pathway to Majors?

If only I could be as equally deluded as people who think that. How many Majors are hiring regional guys and at what % of their class? Answer: few at a low %, in fact most of them that are hired are indeed flow threw. So if you don't have a flow threw, you are SoL. Maybe people that are new or corporate, or prior military believe that crap, but news flash: Age 65 has kept pilots in the right seat of RJs for past 5 years, and there was all the economic problems (housing stocks jobs) and even 9/11 before that.

Someone had a post in the Major forums a while back asking if there were any automatic disqualifiers from getting hired, yes there is......work at a regional. Why on earth would they hire you for more $$ when you work for slave wages flying their aircraft and passengers and colors already?

Dunkin

What industry are you headed to? Best of luck, don't leave with any sick time. I agree about flows, I think 100% of mainline new hires should come from a flow in seniority order. No more special candidates getting to skip their turn in line and get hired after 9 months in an RJ when guys with 10k TPIC can't get called.

Packrat

This makes ZERO sense to me. How would what you make at XJT affect my wages at AS? Both are ALPA carriers.

I guess your insinuation is that low wages at QX prop up AS wages. Except that QX is IBT and AS is ALPA.

Sounds to me like YOUR issue is with your individual NCs and the pilot groups who vote for "ideas" like 20 year contract (Eagle), not ALPA National. National can only advise. Individual NCs accept substandard pay because they KNOW there are a million guys with SJS who would not only fly for free, but pay for the privilege.

Name User

I don't work for XJT, Eagle, etc.

ALPA National has done very little to prop up wages at the commuters. It's almost criminal how much the pay difference is.

ALPA National has to "agree" and sign every single contract that is negotiated. And they do.

There are a million guys with SJS. There are even more who would work at a US major. Yet those wages aren't anything at the level of the commuters - because those pilots have leverage.

The major carriers are smart, most especially after the Comair strike. Too many eggs in one basket makes for a pilot group with too much leverage.

The commuters can't win on their own and need a national union that enforces a bare minimum contract yet ALPA so far has failed to do that. When asked, Lee Moak was speechless to Congress. It was humorous, but sad.