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Old 08-01-2014, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Apokleros
There is none; nor will there ever be one. There are enough CFIs, pipeline patrol, survey, skydiving and part 135 pilots in the hiring pool right now to fill every single slot at the regionals. This shortage issue is only a "shortage" of pilot applicants who have never busted a checkride or gotten a DUI charge on their record. Beyond that, there are more than enough pilot applicants for the regionals to hire. Which is exactly why the pay has not risen in the slightest. Why should it when there are so many pilots still applying?
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Old 08-01-2014, 07:09 PM
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So to summarize this thread, the cheerleaders for each regional are saying the classes at their regionals are full.

Wouldnt it be better for everyone if the classes were empty? I mean am I the only one that thinks that way? Perhaps then management would raise pay to intise new blood.

Whatever, carry on
I have been getting ALPA e-mails all week saying the issue was partly due to first year FO pay. I have yet to see any ALPA MEC negotiate and be successful with raising first year pay. I can't imagine any regional MEC has even tried to raise first year pay. ALPA simply does not care to raise the bar. Pay increase come in percentages and new hires best not spend their meager increases in one place. When you have a group like Endeavor willing to cap FO pay years before any of them can imagine an upgrade I don't think we need to rally congress to change things when we can't even fix the Bush League.
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
So to summarize this thread, the cheerleaders for each regional are saying the classes at their regionals are full.

Wouldnt it be better for everyone if the classes were empty? I mean am I the only one that thinks that way? Perhaps then management would raise pay to intise new blood.

Whatever, carry on
Well, Endeavor said they wanted to hire 400 this year.... they are about 380 short of their goal as of the latest seniority list a few weeks ago.... I guess every pilot on the planet isn't drooling at the chance to fly for Delta like they think. And there certainly aren't that many being fooled with the bottom of the barrel FO pay and continued downgrades somehow creating a 2 year upgrade for a new hire. Enjoy that commute to reserve in JFK for a max of 30K
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Old 08-01-2014, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by block30
Yeah, I thought at the RAA convention they cited something like 13 out of 14 regionals were missing recruiting goals, and I believe it was Horizon who was hitting theirs. I come on here, and its all unicorns and rainbows just about everywhere apparently. I could see Compass getting an extra bump with the AA flying announcement, though.
The classes could be "full", but that just means they are smaller or less frequent than they would other wise be. If company has a continious hireing department open all year they're not hitting their goals.
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Originally Posted by Apokleros
There is none; nor will there ever be one. There are enough CFIs, pipeline patrol, survey, skydiving and part 135 pilots in the hiring pool right now to fill every single slot at the regionals. This shortage issue is only a "shortage" of pilot applicants who have never busted a checkride or gotten a DUI charge on their record. Beyond that, there are more than enough pilot applicants for the regionals to hire. Which is exactly why the pay has not risen in the slightest. Why should it when there are so many pilots still applying?
Not true. Our union here at Envoy adopted "nobody can staff it!!" As their battle cry. There is NO WAY our MEC could have possibly made a mistake.

Oh, and good luck staffing all that new flying. I know all you other Regionals can't hire even if you think you can. How do I know? My MEC at Envoy told me so.
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Originally Posted by flyguy94
ExpressJet is having no problems filling our classes of 0.
Can I get a recommendation please? When will classes start again? Thanks.
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Old 08-01-2014, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
Compass, people getting on now will upgrade in a year. Weekly classes until next summer atleast.
I thought I read on another thread that due to difficulty in hiring they are looking at people without 4 year degrees? You are guaranteeing a year upgrade? The jockeying for pilots among the regionals is just beginning, things change fast, expect the unexpected the next 2 years.
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I thought I read on another thread that due to difficulty in hiring they are looking at people without 4 year degrees? You are guaranteeing a year upgrade? The jockeying for pilots among the regionals is just beginning, things change fast, expect the unexpected the next 2 years.
Not only are they starting to have problems hiring, they are very behind on training those who have been hired.
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
I thought I read on another thread that due to difficulty in hiring they are looking at people without 4 year degrees? You are guaranteeing a year upgrade? The jockeying for pilots among the regionals is just beginning, things change fast, expect the unexpected the next 2 years.
I am sure that person had an internal rec. Not guaranteeing but it's simple math. 440 pilots right now - 150 flows next year = 290 plus the 400 needed to be hired for AA and the flows = 700 total pilots. Most JR Capt isn't even on property yet.
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Old 08-02-2014, 04:29 AM
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Well, Republic can't staff at all. They gave out a $12,000 signing bonus for the last Q class and $7,000 for the last 170 class. Every month when looking at the seniority list, we are negative pilots and we are still accepting new airplanes. We are past the break even point between planes we have parked (145s) and new ones coming in (175s and Qs). So with still more than 20 planes coming online, we are definitely short staffed. I have had a couple of flights recently cancel for lack of crew and I know we are cancelling quite a few a week for that alone.
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