Logging PIC time as a FO
07-05-2014, 03:31 AM
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Logging PIC time as a FO
Just sat on the jumpseat listening to the captain tell me that I can log all my SIC time as PIC time since I hold a type rating for it now. I didn't really get into much with him cause I haven't been up to date much on logging flight time rules in the last 4 years. Could I log it is PIC even tho the captain is the designated PIC and I'm just a lowly FO?
Anything would be nice at least it will be a change in the mood of what's going on at what airline.
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Anything would be nice at least it will be a change in the mood of what's going on at what airline.
Thanks
07-05-2014, 03:45 AM
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You can search for this topic. It has been discussed at length. I think legally you could but since it's 121/135, then it does no good. If you attempt to go to a major they will be really mad when they see this and at a minimum not hire you...if they don't black list you. The only person that should be logging PIC time is the one who's name is on the release.
07-05-2014, 03:46 AM
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If you're looking to apply to a major airline, none of them are going to consider any time as PIC unless you were the one who signed for the aircraft.
07-05-2014, 03:59 AM
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Just sat on the jumpseat listening to the captain tell me that I can log all my SIC time as PIC time since I hold a type rating for it now. I didn't really get into much with him cause I haven't been up to date much on logging flight time rules in the last 4 years. Could I log it is PIC even tho the captain is the designated PIC and I'm just a lowly FO?
Anything would be nice at least it will be a change in the mood of what's going on at what airline.
Thanks
Anything would be nice at least it will be a change in the mood of what's going on at what airline.
Thanks
07-05-2014, 04:27 AM
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Agree with above. You can log sole manipulator time, but it isn't what the airlines are looking for. They want time you had authority and responsibility for the flight as the designated PIC. I have heard a lot of corporate jobs want sole manipulator time listed.
07-05-2014, 04:31 AM
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Just sat on the jumpseat listening to the captain tell me that I can log all my SIC time as PIC time since I hold a type rating for it now. I didn't really get into much with him cause I haven't been up to date much on logging flight time rules in the last 4 years. Could I log it is PIC even tho the captain is the designated PIC and I'm just a lowly FO?
Anything would be nice at least it will be a change in the mood of what's going on at what airline.
Thanks
Anything would be nice at least it will be a change in the mood of what's going on at what airline.
Thanks
07-05-2014, 05:12 AM
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Not only should FOs log PIC on 121 flights, they should set the tone for the day, and sign the release for the captain.
07-05-2014, 05:41 AM
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short answer with a question - who does the FAA come after when something goes wrong?
07-05-2014, 05:46 AM
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You can put whatever you want into your logbook, but if I were you I would stick to standard practice of only logging it when you are the PIC of record.
Even when I was getting CA OE I didn't log PIC time, as the LCA was the PIC of record. So no way I would think of logging it as an FO.
Even when I was getting CA OE I didn't log PIC time, as the LCA was the PIC of record. So no way I would think of logging it as an FO.
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