Logging PIC time as a FO
07-06-2014, 12:05 PM
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The next one does though.
What (non checkairman) wierdo would log PIC time from the right seat anyway? That's so stupid it boggles the mind. Yes if some Chinese airline says you can count it then fine. If they let you count the time you spent eating Captain Crunch as a kid as PIC time, then have at it. But actually putting it in your logbook that reputable airlines might end up seeing one day is flat out pathetic and in most cases will get you laughed out of the interview.
What (non checkairman) wierdo would log PIC time from the right seat anyway? That's so stupid it boggles the mind. Yes if some Chinese airline says you can count it then fine. If they let you count the time you spent eating Captain Crunch as a kid as PIC time, then have at it. But actually putting it in your logbook that reputable airlines might end up seeing one day is flat out pathetic and in most cases will get you laughed out of the interview.
I guess what we are having here is a failure to communicate. You wrote that in response to this post.
Once you get hired by an airline they don't care how you log your time.
But make no mistake about it your sole manipulator time will not be counted towards PIC for the purpose of getting a job with an airline in the USA. In fact it will most probably get you un-hired from an interview in a big hurry.
Do what you think is prudent.
Do what you think is prudent.
But I will say this one more time just so it is clear. DO NOT log type rated FAR 121 sole manipulator time as PIC in your log book for the purpose of fulfilling PIC requirements for any U.S. airline. I wouldn't do it under any circumstances, if some foreign contract outfit wants to credit you with sole manipulator time then you can work out the details as necessary.
They all told me that I could use sole manipulator time if I had been a type rated F/O to fulfill the 1,000 hour PIC requirement. I never took any of them up on the offers so I can't verify how it would have turned out.
Is there really any question as to what my opinion on this subject is?
If you want to log PIC as an SIC sole manipulator after you get your dream airline job it is perfectly legal to do so. But you'd better be darn sure that was your last job interview.
07-07-2014, 03:30 PM
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...If they let you count the time you spent eating Captain Crunch as a kid as PIC time, then have at it. But actually putting it in your logbook that reputable airlines might end up seeing one day is flat out pathetic and in most cases will get you laughed out of the interview.
I have 1200 hours of Cap'n Crunch on my resume, and interviewers are impressed that I spelt it the write way.
07-07-2014, 03:48 PM
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Having worked in 121 for over 3 years, the only time I've ever heard of FOs even considering logging PIC is on this forum. In other words, I think it rarely is even considered, and whenever it pops up here I think it's simply trolling. It always gets a rise out of the PIC "skygods", so at least it's amusing.
07-07-2014, 05:38 PM
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First officers can not log PIC. Only the acting pic can log pic in a 121 operation.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...AND%20TIME.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...AND%20TIME.pdf
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