Logging PIC time as a FO
07-05-2014, 11:17 AM
#21
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Gentlemen. There is a difference between logging PIC and being PIC.
An appropriately licensed and rated FO may log PIC time on his/her legs.
For many 121 major and national carriers this would be the kiss of death during an interview.
For many 91 and 135 operators this would be acceptable and help you meet insurance minimums.
My advice is to not log it until you are in the left seat. If you do decide to log it; create a separate column to track 121PIC for when you have upgraded.
Some employers will immediately show you the door for logging PIC while assigned as an FO.
Why risk it.
An appropriately licensed and rated FO may log PIC time on his/her legs.
For many 121 major and national carriers this would be the kiss of death during an interview.
For many 91 and 135 operators this would be acceptable and help you meet insurance minimums.
My advice is to not log it until you are in the left seat. If you do decide to log it; create a separate column to track 121PIC for when you have upgraded.
Some employers will immediately show you the door for logging PIC while assigned as an FO.
Why risk it.
07-05-2014, 11:25 AM
#22
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I don't see how you could even log it as sole manipulator under part 61 if you wanted.
You are operating under part 121 rules/ops pecs. You did not have a fed check.
You are operating under part 121 rules/ops pecs. You did not have a fed check.
07-05-2014, 11:37 AM
#23
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First officers can not log PIC. Only the acting pic can log pic in a 121 operation.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...AND%20TIME.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...AND%20TIME.pdf
07-05-2014, 03:09 PM
#24
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This made perfect sense in my head, im sure this only made sense to me.
07-05-2014, 03:37 PM
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That has not been my experience, most of the jobs that I know of abroad actually do NOT accept this time at all.....! As a matter of fact, most don't even accept the PIC time some people write while they were doing their IOE...., since it is really dual received time because your instructor/check airman is the one listed on the release as the PIC. You are on the left seat manipulating the controls and still they won't accept it.
07-05-2014, 03:49 PM
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First officers can not log PIC. Only the acting pic can log pic in a 121 operation.
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...AND%20TIME.pdf
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/...AND%20TIME.pdf
07-05-2014, 03:56 PM
#30
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Oh wise guru, please enlighten.
Because if you want to look at sole manipulator under 61, there is an exception :"(2) This section does not apply to a pilot in command who is employed by a part 119 certificate holder authorized to conduct operations under part 121 when the pilot is engaged in a flight operation under parts 91 and 121 for that certificate holder if the pilot in command is in compliance with §§121.435 or 121.436, as applicable, and §121.439 of this chapter."
Because if you want to look at sole manipulator under 61, there is an exception :"(2) This section does not apply to a pilot in command who is employed by a part 119 certificate holder authorized to conduct operations under part 121 when the pilot is engaged in a flight operation under parts 91 and 121 for that certificate holder if the pilot in command is in compliance with §§121.435 or 121.436, as applicable, and §121.439 of this chapter."
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