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Old 07-05-2014, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Agree with above. You can log sole manipulator time, but it isn't what the airlines are looking for. They want time you had authority and responsibility for the flight as the designated PIC. I have heard a lot of corporate jobs want sole manipulator time listed.
Cheap corporate/charter operators do that to legally pad the times for insurance purposes. Airlines don't care about that...
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Old 07-05-2014, 05:58 AM
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Airlines want to see PIC time in accordance with Part 1 (ie. responsible for the aircraft), and don't care about Part 61 PIC (ie. sole manipulator).

Its your logbook, log it how you want to...but be fully prepared to justify in an interview why you logged a bunch of turbine PIC time when you were a first officer who never signed for the plane AND for the people interviewing you to frown upon your reasoning.

IMO, doing so is a high risk/low reward proposition.
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Old 07-05-2014, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Spoiler
short answer with a question - who does the FAA come after when something goes wrong?
This is a great question.

The short answer is BOTH pilots.

While the captain may sign the release, both pilots are equally responsible for the safe outcome of the flight. If the captain misses something in the mx log and you go flying with an open writeup? Yep, both of you get violated.
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Old 07-05-2014, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by makersmarc
This is a great question.

The short answer is BOTH pilots.

While the captain may sign the release, both pilots are equally responsible for the safe outcome of the flight. If the captain misses something in the mx log and you go flying with an open writeup? Yep, both of you get violated.
But one of us gets paid considerably less.
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Old 07-05-2014, 07:18 AM
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Thanks for the replies. I wasn't going to count it. Just made me think about and how a senior wide body captain disconnected from the real word.
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Old 07-05-2014, 07:43 AM
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At a bunch of regionals the FO also signs the release...

Only log it if you're in the left seat (unless you're an LCA)
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Old 07-05-2014, 08:54 AM
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Simple real answer....dont be an idiot and log PIC as a 121 regional FO. The Capt is the PIC on the release. He/she will be the PIC, it will be a guarantee you will be turned away by a major at the interview.
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Old 07-05-2014, 09:27 AM
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What idiot would log PIC time as a regular line FO in 121? That's an instant application shredder, as it should be.
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No. You are not the PIC. Whoever told the OP that is very old and confused.
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There is some confusion about this due to part 61. And many foreign airlines will accept type rated sole manipulator to be used towards total PIC and PIC on type.

But make no mistake about it your sole manipulator time will not be counted towards PIC for the purpose of getting a job with an airline in the USA. In fact it will most probably get you un-hired from an interview in a big hurry.

Do what you think is prudent.
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