Higher 2nd Year Pay At Regionals
05-02-2014, 02:14 PM
#41
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It's interesting to note that ALPA employees have better benefits than many of us, yet cave in when it comes to our benefits.
Check it out:https://jobs-alpa.icims.com/jobs/int...Redirect=false
ALPA offers competitive salaries with excellent benefits, including:
- 26 days paid vacation and holidays per year;
- Generous sick and bereavement leave;
- Generous health care benefits – PPO, two HMO’s (where available) and a High Deductible Health Plan which includes coverage for medical, dental, and vision benefits for employee, spouse, and/or dependent children;
- Company-paid premiums for disability and life insurance;
- $2 for $1 matching 401(k) retirement savings plan; Roth 401(k);
- Flexible Spending and Health Savings accounts; and
- Retiree health plan.
05-02-2014, 02:21 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,014
Your comment doesn't make any sense...
At your adopted airline, taking a 12 year CA and comparing with a 12 year FO on the 717, shows FO pays 68.4% of CA pay. This 68% holds true across that airframe all the way to 777 pay at 12 year.
At Air Wisconsin, the year 16 pay for an FO is 47.4% of CA pay.
If ALPA would adopt a 68% policy, you would see year 16 FO pay at $65.96 compared to $97.00 for CA.
Or, based on ALPA stating that we have no leverage (and the fact that unions tend to be more along the lines of your "Obama" critique), the 68% values at year 16, with no increase in the pot, would be: $57 for FO, $84 for CA.
These values, while "spreading the wealth" would fall more in line with the DAL pay scales with the consideration of a smaller pot to divvy out.
I assume you will be leading the charge to decertify ALPA and utilize a direct relationship with DAL management, since you are against "Obama style liberalism" (which you support by being an ALPA member). Of course, if you are a non-member paying a contract MX fee, I commend you for following your views in your actions.
At your adopted airline, taking a 12 year CA and comparing with a 12 year FO on the 717, shows FO pays 68.4% of CA pay. This 68% holds true across that airframe all the way to 777 pay at 12 year.
At Air Wisconsin, the year 16 pay for an FO is 47.4% of CA pay.
If ALPA would adopt a 68% policy, you would see year 16 FO pay at $65.96 compared to $97.00 for CA.
Or, based on ALPA stating that we have no leverage (and the fact that unions tend to be more along the lines of your "Obama" critique), the 68% values at year 16, with no increase in the pot, would be: $57 for FO, $84 for CA.
These values, while "spreading the wealth" would fall more in line with the DAL pay scales with the consideration of a smaller pot to divvy out.
I assume you will be leading the charge to decertify ALPA and utilize a direct relationship with DAL management, since you are against "Obama style liberalism" (which you support by being an ALPA member). Of course, if you are a non-member paying a contract MX fee, I commend you for following your views in your actions.
05-02-2014, 02:45 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,425
There is no way to increase just FO pay because "the union" gets greedy and wants to raise everyone's pay. The see F/O's get a $20/hr raise and they want the CA's to get that raise as well. It's ridiculous how big a disparity between seasoned F/O and junior CA there is.
That's why I suggest a track system, and the new hire would go on the higher pay to start/lower top out while everyone else remains on the original pay schedule they signed on with.
That's why I suggest a track system, and the new hire would go on the higher pay to start/lower top out while everyone else remains on the original pay schedule they signed on with.
05-02-2014, 03:08 PM
#44
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Posts: 1,210
That would actually be fine, as it would close the gap as calculated as a percentage.
05-02-2014, 05:03 PM
#45
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Yes it holds true if you are a maxed out FO but you are comparing apples to oranges. I'm at 5th year pay and just now am making 60% Captain pay. Year 1 @ Delta I only made 31% Capt pay and year 20 was 56% Capt pay. I guess I should be *****izing because I'm not making 68% Capt pay, what an outrage!!!!
Sorry I just borrowed one data point, but the bottom line is, FOs will suffer at regionals because we have no negotiating capital to get more.
Again, divvying up money in a contract is very similar to your comment about Obama style liberalism. Why should Carl Spackler or TSquare subsidize your pay by having super premium widebody flying not earn as much?
05-02-2014, 09:00 PM
#46
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Posts: 1,673
You are a very upset person for getting handed a Delta Air Lines job. All you had to do was interview at a shiesty regional.
Sorry I just borrowed one data point, but the bottom line is, FOs will suffer at regionals because we have no negotiating capital to get more.
Again, divvying up money in a contract is very similar to your comment about Obama style liberalism. Why should Carl Spackler or TSquare subsidize your pay by having super premium widebody flying not earn as much?
Sorry I just borrowed one data point, but the bottom line is, FOs will suffer at regionals because we have no negotiating capital to get more.
Again, divvying up money in a contract is very similar to your comment about Obama style liberalism. Why should Carl Spackler or TSquare subsidize your pay by having super premium widebody flying not earn as much?
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