spuzzyair

So Lets compare crew cost as percentage of hourly (non-fuel) operating cost that companies that have reported.

ERJ140/145
Republic - 23.2%
ExpressJet - 43.5%
Eage - 44.1%

CRJ200
PSA - 22.5%
Mesa - 26.1%
AirWis - 27.3%
Skywest - 28.7%
Pinnacle - 33.8%
ExpressJet - 35.1%

CRJ700
PSA - 22.2%
GoJet - 24.9%
Mesa - 27.5%
Skywest - 27.8%
ExpressJet - 36.9%
Eagle - 44.0%

E170
Republic - 24.2%
Compass - 42.2%

CRJ900
Mesa - 29.5%
Skywest - 33.2%
ExpressJet - 35.7%
Pinnacle - 38.6%

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With the above table one can see who the carriers are that have high labor burdens (Eagle for example), versus those that have lower labor cost burdens (ie PSA) as percentage of their hourly aircraft operating costing.


Source DOT Form 41.

lolwut

This chart is worthless.

Based on what airlines have negotiated in their agreements with the majors, they pay different costs. Some have the mainline carrier paying for their airplanes, pilot training, etc, while others do not.

Carriers that don't bear as many other costs are going to have a higher percentage of costs be for the crew.

What

Interesting how Eagle is nearly 100% more expensive than RAH. These figures say that Eagle pilots are compensated twice the composition of a RAH crew member. I am sorry, but look who reports these numbers.

crflyer

dumb . . .

Coolbeans

[QUOTE=lolwut;1595940]This chart is worthless.

Based on what airlines have negotiated in their agreements with the majors, they pay different costs. Some have the mainline carrier paying for their airplanes, pilot training, etc, while others do not.

Carriers that don't bear as many other costs are going to have a higher percentage of costs be for the crew.[/QUOTE

i would not say that it is worthless but you need a little bit of backround information to fully understand the material. what is fact though is that the companies at the top as far as cost per pilot are seeking concessions and the companies at the bottom are doing nothing or offering contracts that kind of put them more towards the middle. what would be more helpful would be to see the total break down of cost and who is getting what .

BrewCity

So Republic pilots are nearly twice as expensive as Compass pilots for the same aircraft?

vishal7

I think u have that backwards according to the chart ( looking at E-170 numbers). But the chart doesn't really give us enough information.

texaspilot76

Payrates are a very small portion of the total operating cost of an airline. You can't judge how expensive it is to run a copany on hourly pay rates alone.

BlueMoon

This is exactly why this comparison tells us nothing. Crews can make identical amounts and be vastly different percentage of the costs. It all depends on what "costs" the airline has.

Example: Crew costs $200/hr and the airline has costs of $1000/hr =20%
Crew Costs $200/hr and the airline has costs of $2000/hr =10%

The more total costs the company has the lower the percentage the crew cost will make up. So you could have skyhigh costs and have a small percentage of that cost be crew costs.

This guy wasted his time.....and now mine.

fosters

It depends on the airline. For a large carrier with a marketing department, sales, etc yes that's correct.

For a labor staffing company, which is basically all some "airlines" are, the pay rate would be a significant portion of their operating cost.

Example, according to BTS data I was reviewing several years ago, the operating cost of an XYZ ERJ was significantly less than my companies CRJ. When I looked at the numbers, the XYZ ERJ company paid $0.50/gal for JetA, my company was paying $3. This inflated the overall operating cost of my company, reducing the labor cost. It would have the opposite effect on the XYZ ERJ company.

The majors these days are buying the aircraft and just using the regionals to staff them. The regional airline has no back end to sustain. The operating cost of those airplanes is incredibly low (and labor % incredibly high) because the only thing they are really paying out is labor. Everything else, for all intents and purposes, is a zero cost.

If you look at Republic and Compass, I would bet Republic owns their aircraft where as Compass does not. Anyone know if that is true?