Actual text of RAH TA
03-03-2014, 06:45 PM
#41
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Guess what the assessment (you voted for) did? It hired an attorney who specializes in labor contracts. Maybe you should have been paying a little more attention because this was before CM decided to use the negotiating committee as his personal revenge platform. Maybe you should have payed a little attention years ago when Sowell and Moline were spending thousands of your dollars making non-binding handshake deals that left your contract so open to interpretation by the company it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
03-03-2014, 06:54 PM
#42
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Guess what the assessment (you voted for) did? It hired an attorney who specializes in labor contracts. Maybe you should have been paying a little more attention because this was before CM decided to use the negotiating committee as his personal revenge platform. Maybe you should have payed a little attention years ago when Sowell and Moline were spending thousands of your dollars making non-binding handshake deals that left your contract so open to interpretation by the company it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
03-03-2014, 08:28 PM
#43
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I would love....LOVE to see you break down each section of that craptastic TA and explain why you think each bullet point warrants a yes vote. No seriously, I DARE you! No more general "I'm a yes vote" or "I'm voting it in because I have a hard-on for CM, the IBT and all that it entails". Just and intelligent, logical, point by point breakdown of each proposal and why you think it benefits the pilot group so much so it deserves a thumbs up. You owe it to the rest of that pilot group why you are about to slap each one of them in the face after 7 years of heartache. Shame on you.
03-03-2014, 08:49 PM
#44
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8,000,000 sigining bonus. About 2200 pilots? About $3600 per pilot? That's less than the new hire bonus. Wow. This thing is atrocious. It should get voted down 95-5. IBT should be decertified for taking the companies offer and putting it in TA form without even negotiating.
03-03-2014, 09:33 PM
#45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by WeaselBoy
Utipia? Is that when UltiPro works perfectly?
Signing bonus needs to be above what they are giving to the new hires off the street. Period.
And? I'm willing to send this back to the Company to get it fixed. This will easily be a seven year contract, if not ten. I get we are not going to have a mainline contract, but at the end of the day, my paycheck needs to be slightly higher than what SkyWest is making now.
Right now this contract doesn't even cover the inflation from the 2003 CBA.
The Company is desperate to get this contract done. They'll be just as desperate after we vote this one down.
I'd rather wait six months to a year for a decent contract to work under for the next seven years than start a crappy contract tomorrow.
We pay the least amount of dues than any other unionized carrier. If you feel that is too much, you can resign your union membership at any time.
How can I resign my union membership? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Of course, after you do that you don't get to vote yes, or no, on any contract, LOA, etc.
You feel you deserve to be paid more than SkyWest, or you are saying in order for it to keep people from leaving and to attracting new hires it needs to pay more than SkyWest??
Originally Posted by WeaselBoy
Utipia? Is that when UltiPro works perfectly?
Signing bonus needs to be above what they are giving to the new hires off the street. Period.
And? I'm willing to send this back to the Company to get it fixed. This will easily be a seven year contract, if not ten. I get we are not going to have a mainline contract, but at the end of the day, my paycheck needs to be slightly higher than what SkyWest is making now.
Right now this contract doesn't even cover the inflation from the 2003 CBA.
The Company is desperate to get this contract done. They'll be just as desperate after we vote this one down.
I'd rather wait six months to a year for a decent contract to work under for the next seven years than start a crappy contract tomorrow.
We pay the least amount of dues than any other unionized carrier. If you feel that is too much, you can resign your union membership at any time.
How can I resign my union membership? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation
Of course, after you do that you don't get to vote yes, or no, on any contract, LOA, etc.
You feel you deserve to be paid more than SkyWest, or you are saying in order for it to keep people from leaving and to attracting new hires it needs to pay more than SkyWest??
03-04-2014, 05:50 AM
#47
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I would love....LOVE to see you break down each section of that craptastic TA and explain why you think each bullet point warrants a yes vote. No seriously, I DARE you! No more general "I'm a yes vote" or "I'm voting it in because I have a hard-on for CM, the IBT and all that it entails". Just and intelligent, logical, point by point breakdown of each proposal and why you think it benefits the pilot group so much so it deserves a thumbs up. You owe it to the rest of that pilot group why you are about to slap each one of them in the face after 7 years of heartache. Shame on you.
I'm a YES vote
I "double dog dare you" !!
03-04-2014, 07:13 AM
#48
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Outsider looking in, I wish you guys the best as it is going to be a tough decision. I read the "TA highlight" pages and wonder who it was written by as it seems very biased towards Captains. There is a lot more focus on "top end" pay scales but I don't think you guys have very many people at that end of the scale, meanwhile you have A LOT of people that were hired in the 2005-2007 range. If you track this longevity throughout the TA there isn't much of a bump in pay, especially if they already fly the 170.
Again, I hope you guys get the best contract possible but this doesn't look very impressive to an outsider (especially after the length of time it took to get to this point).
Again, I hope you guys get the best contract possible but this doesn't look very impressive to an outsider (especially after the length of time it took to get to this point).
03-04-2014, 08:13 AM
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Actually, it did have an expiration. Upon ratification of a new CBA. Don't like it, lead a charge to have the assessment removed.
The committee, is chaired by Dan and Eve. That's why they sign it. While line pilots, this isn't their first rodeo and Eve is far more qualified to be there than the average line pilot because of her previous career. You seem to make the assumption that it's just a couple line pilots sitting there. You're wrong. Various committees were consulted, explained their stances and a number of attorneys and experts from other airlines were consulted as well. Had you and others taken a little more interest in happenings there, you would have had a TA long ago. Nobody wanted to run for the eboard, and this is what you ended up with.
For someone who no longer works there, I seem to have a better pulse on the situation than you do.
For someone who no longer works there, I seem to have a better pulse on the situation than you do.
03-04-2014, 10:15 AM
#50
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Thats incorrect. The assessment stops after amalgamation. Considering that will never happen, it is now a 100% open ended assessment. Also it was sold to us as a way to secure bill wilder as our attorney. Turns out wilder hasnt worked on our negotiations in a very long time. While I dont agree with loons yes vote, he is actually correct in saying the union is stealing that money. As far as dan and eve, their great experience produced one of the worst ta's we could have imagined. They will hopefully be removed after the ta is voted down.
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