Regional Pilots Are Not Safe
02-25-2014, 01:24 PM
#31
Da Hudge
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80knots, Did that story hurt your feelings? I am sorry. Sometimes I forget pilots are sensitive especially when it comes to their egos.
My point of the story was not promoting regionals in any way. Rather, it was an illustration that we all are capable of being unsafe pilots. Delta has one of the most stringent screening processes for applicants and yet I and the rampers witnessed a serious lack of airmanship. I have no idea what was going on in the cockpit, but regardless, their failure was for all to see.
As a side note, I live “Delta country”, and many of my friends and hangar neighbors are Delta pilots. I did not relay this story to make double breasted admirals look bad, but rather to show that none are immune from making that ultimate mistake that will immortalize us.
Now for you 80knots, I have another story,,,
I am sitting in the jumpseat of a DL DC9-50 (type is important to the story). The captain is boring me to death about his F16 and A10 flying experience. As we start our descent into an airport I am very familiar with, the captain briefs the approach and missed approach procedure. CAVU that day. After he is finished, I mention the standard missed approach procedure is predicated on a VOR that is currently out of service. The alternate missed approach procedure is effective at the time. He takes a 20 second cursory look at the notams in his release and declares that he doesn’t see anything and he will perform the standard missed approach procedure if needed. The VOR station was taken out by a tornado and was but a slab of concrete. Anyway, the weather was good so I didn’t press the issue. As we touched down I thought,,,, wow, the arrogance of Captain Jacob Veldhuyzen van Zanten is alive and well.
Of course, what do I know, I’m just a dumb mechanic that occasionally flies turbine equipment when I’m not busting my knuckles.
My point of the story was not promoting regionals in any way. Rather, it was an illustration that we all are capable of being unsafe pilots. Delta has one of the most stringent screening processes for applicants and yet I and the rampers witnessed a serious lack of airmanship. I have no idea what was going on in the cockpit, but regardless, their failure was for all to see.
As a side note, I live “Delta country”, and many of my friends and hangar neighbors are Delta pilots. I did not relay this story to make double breasted admirals look bad, but rather to show that none are immune from making that ultimate mistake that will immortalize us.
Now for you 80knots, I have another story,,,
I am sitting in the jumpseat of a DL DC9-50 (type is important to the story). The captain is boring me to death about his F16 and A10 flying experience. As we start our descent into an airport I am very familiar with, the captain briefs the approach and missed approach procedure. CAVU that day. After he is finished, I mention the standard missed approach procedure is predicated on a VOR that is currently out of service. The alternate missed approach procedure is effective at the time. He takes a 20 second cursory look at the notams in his release and declares that he doesn’t see anything and he will perform the standard missed approach procedure if needed. The VOR station was taken out by a tornado and was but a slab of concrete. Anyway, the weather was good so I didn’t press the issue. As we touched down I thought,,,, wow, the arrogance of Captain Jacob Veldhuyzen van Zanten is alive and well.
Of course, what do I know, I’m just a dumb mechanic that occasionally flies turbine equipment when I’m not busting my knuckles.
So you were on a visual approach and you're making a big deal about something that wasn't notam'd?
I've got a way better story. I flew with a guy during my regional days, and on his next flight he forced the plane up to FL410, got the shaker, and pulled BACK on the yoke... flaming out both motors. They died since they glided past numerous airports trying to hide the fact that they screwed up.
You totally missed my original point and got defensive, though. It is a good thing that the regionals are getting bad press. That puts pressure to reduce outsourcing and thus siphon jobs up to the well paid positions. That is a good thing and was the point of my post, not something derogatory personally. Look at the big picture, not through the emotional blinders that you have on.
02-25-2014, 01:26 PM
#32
Da Hudge
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02-25-2014, 02:16 PM
#34
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There was nothing emotional about my post. It was about seeing the big picture.
So you were on a visual approach and you're making a big deal about something that wasn't notam'd?
I've got a way better story. I flew with a guy during my regional days, and on his next flight he forced the plane up to FL410, got the shaker, and pulled BACK on the yoke... flaming out both motors. They died since they glided past numerous airports trying to hide the fact that they screwed up.
You totally missed my original point and got defensive, though. It is a good thing that the regionals are getting bad press. That puts pressure to reduce outsourcing and thus siphon jobs up to the well paid positions. That is a good thing and was the point of my post, not something derogatory personally. Look at the big picture, not through the emotional blinders that you have on.
So you were on a visual approach and you're making a big deal about something that wasn't notam'd?
I've got a way better story. I flew with a guy during my regional days, and on his next flight he forced the plane up to FL410, got the shaker, and pulled BACK on the yoke... flaming out both motors. They died since they glided past numerous airports trying to hide the fact that they screwed up.
You totally missed my original point and got defensive, though. It is a good thing that the regionals are getting bad press. That puts pressure to reduce outsourcing and thus siphon jobs up to the well paid positions. That is a good thing and was the point of my post, not something derogatory personally. Look at the big picture, not through the emotional blinders that you have on.
I do agree with you point 80 about outsourcing and siphoning. I don't like how ALPA and mainline pilots always slam the door on regional pilots rather then be fair and have a level playing field. Or would you agree that the Mccaskill Bond amendment should also apply to a regional when a major buys a regional? Ultimately it all matters as we try to increase compensation and equality. Or maybe just allow it to be said that regional pilots are not safe and not equal to mainline pilots therefore no need to provide fair compensation and equality.
02-25-2014, 05:13 PM
#35
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That's the problem, he did not take the time to do his job. a 20 second glance is not good enough. Are you saying that because it was a visual, he should get a break on doing his job as a proffessional pilot?
02-25-2014, 05:30 PM
#36
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This thread has gone the wrong way. Probably my fault for not getting boomers joke the first time. Point was if you looked at the article from RD on the second note some "major airline pilot" makes a statement implying all regional pilots are not safe or not as safe as mainline pilots. If that is true then ok, just back it up with some facts rather then just a bold statement about how unsafe you are on a regional. I find it strange that with a mainline airlines name on the side of a regionals aircraft or even owned by the mainline that mainline management wouldn't also want pilots to be as safe no matter what you fly.
I do agree with you point 80 about outsourcing and siphoning. I don't like how ALPA and mainline pilots always slam the door on regional pilots rather then be fair and have a level playing field. Or would you agree that the Mccaskill Bond amendment should also apply to a regional when a major buys a regional? Ultimately it all matters as we try to increase compensation and equality. Or maybe just allow it to be said that regional pilots are not safe and not equal to mainline pilots therefore no need to provide fair compensation and equality.
I do agree with you point 80 about outsourcing and siphoning. I don't like how ALPA and mainline pilots always slam the door on regional pilots rather then be fair and have a level playing field. Or would you agree that the Mccaskill Bond amendment should also apply to a regional when a major buys a regional? Ultimately it all matters as we try to increase compensation and equality. Or maybe just allow it to be said that regional pilots are not safe and not equal to mainline pilots therefore no need to provide fair compensation and equality.
The name you gave the thread is the problem. It sounds like a statement (provocative) and will get people backing that statement or fighting it.
you could have named the thread something different
To generalize about a pilot group is never right
it is just wrong to say things like "only major airline pilots land at the wrong airport"...... you see what I mean
there is bad judgement and mistakes at all levels and the most dangerous pilots are the ones with the uber attitude that believes their **** don't stink.....
all should try to relax, be professional, laid back and not the guy everybody bids avoid
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