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Old 02-24-2014, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
Not to derail at all but can someone give a brief cliffs notes on the cat II training?

(Only flown cat I airplanes)
You look at some boring low vis power points

Fly some approaches to landings and go arounds to Lower DA usually based on DH in the sim.

That's pretty much it.
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by cartean
You look at some boring low vis power points

Fly some approaches to landings and go arounds to Lower DA usually based on DH in the sim.

That's pretty much it.
Good deal!

Basically you're doing the same physical approach just to lower mins. I ought to look up some more in-depth differences since I have some free time.
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Old 02-24-2014, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590
Good deal!

Basically you're doing the same physical approach just to lower mins. I ought to look up some more in-depth differences since I have some free time.
To add a little more (and I believe the procedure can differ some from one airline to the next - so this is one version), it's a "monitored" approach down to Radar Altimeter mins, with the FO always flying and executing the missed, OR the CA, who's guarding the controls, taking control upon seeing runway environment prior to mins. A few practice runs and review and it's pretty straightforward.
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
To add a little more (and I believe the procedure can differ some from one airline to the next - so this is one version), it's a "monitored" approach down to Radar Altimeter mins, with the FO always flying and executing the missed, OR the CA, who's guarding the controls, taking control upon seeing runway environment prior to mins. A few practice runs and review and it's pretty straightforward.
Stupid procedure and not how it is done everywhere, CA should be flying and FO Monitoring, some places trust their FOs more than others apparently and that's how it should be. There shouldn't be a control swap at that point.
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Old 02-24-2014, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
To add a little more (and I believe the procedure can differ some from one airline to the next - so this is one version), it's a "monitored" approach down to Radar Altimeter mins, with the FO always flying and executing the missed, OR the CA, who's guarding the controls, taking control upon seeing runway environment prior to mins. A few practice runs and review and it's pretty straightforward.
Stupid procedure and not how it is done everywhere, CA should be flying and FO Monitoring, some places trust their FOs more than others apparently and that's how it should be. There shouldn't be a control swap at that point.
If we ever meet beers are on me. Couldn't agree more and it drives me nuts that we have to "swap" controls at 100' AGL if we are able to land.
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Old 02-24-2014, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMustache
Stupid procedure and not how it is done everywhere, CA should be flying and FO Monitoring, some places trust their FOs more than others apparently and that's how it should be. There shouldn't be a control swap at that point.

Agreed. Nearly died landing a 727 into BWI because the captain basically stalled it during exactly this type of transition. He took a long time to start actually flying, flared to low...Yank, balloon, SLAM!
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
When the F9 flying went away so did the Cat 2. They're not training people Cat 2 anymore. You used to have to be based in a base that did F9 flights in order to be qual'd. The only way they justified the cost was because it impacted the bottom line. AA/US, DL, UAL aren't going to pay for it so the crews that fly those flights are not qualified.
Do you even work at Republic? Your statement is completely false. We currently do Cat2 on the entire Republic E-jet fleet (excluding S5).
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by flyguy81
When the F9 flying went away so did the Cat 2. They're not training people Cat 2 anymore. You used to have to be based in a base that did F9 flights in order to be qual'd. The only way they justified the cost was because it impacted the bottom line. AA/US, DL, UAL aren't going to pay for it so the crews that fly those flights are not qualified.
What are you talking about? You do work here, right?
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