ALPA: "Don't blame us!"
01-24-2014, 05:41 PM
#81
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As someone who has been involved in ALPA from the lowest committee to the highest national governing body, I can tell you without a doubt that you're wrong. ALPA national goes out of its way to avoid giving direction to local MECs. It's actually something that I disagree with. I think there should be more national control, but I'm in the minority on that one.
01-24-2014, 06:00 PM
#82
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I guess our MECs interacted differently with National or visa versa. In each and every email put out by the 9E MEC during the bankruptcy they all mentioned how they were taking direction from national, consulting with national, being guided by national, and how involved national was in their efforts.
And I was once a member of the PCL MEC. I doubt it changed that much after I left. Especially since many of the same people I worked with were still there during the bankruptcy.
01-24-2014, 06:20 PM
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I seriously doubt any of those emails used the words "taking direction from national." Getting help? Sure. Using resources? Absolutely. Talking with advisors? You bet. But direction? Not a chance.
And I was once a member of the PCL MEC. I doubt it changed that much after I left. Especially since many of the same people I worked with were still there during the bankruptcy.
And I was once a member of the PCL MEC. I doubt it changed that much after I left. Especially since many of the same people I worked with were still there during the bankruptcy.
01-24-2014, 07:03 PM
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YGBSM! Who checks this guy's facts?
01-24-2014, 07:36 PM
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After listing off a list of perceived successes, (a bunch of airlines with a history of crapy work rules and crapy pay) Moak asks, "what has ALPA changed over the years? ..... Nothing"
Well isn't that the problem?
My point is that the ALPA model is broken when it comes to regional airlines. Regionals need a unified strategy to prevent one pilot group from being pitted against another to save their job. ALPA keeps saying they just advise and support and each group acts on its own. Well that isn't working too well and the industry is in a death spiral because of it.
01-24-2014, 08:03 PM
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My point is that the ALPA model is broken when it comes to regional airlines. Regionals need a unified strategy to prevent one pilot group from being pitted against another to save their job. ALPA keeps saying they just advise and support and each group acts on its own. Well that isn't working too well and the industry is in a death spiral because of it.
01-24-2014, 08:06 PM
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My point is that the ALPA model is broken when it comes to regional airlines. Regionals need a unified strategy to prevent one pilot group from being pitted against another to save their job. ALPA keeps saying they just advise and support and each group acts on its own. Well that isn't working too well and the industry is in a death spiral because of it.
01-24-2014, 08:27 PM
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They don't realize how bad of a job they are doing and unless someone tells them to wake up nothing will change.
Wake up, turn the damn autopilot off and fly the plane.
01-24-2014, 08:45 PM
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