proskuneho

Thank you. I voted down the terrible contract precisely because I barely accepted the entry price as it is. I'll go back to a desk job if the conditions get worse. I have a family, and they are more important than a mainline dream job.

AlaskaBound

I don't necessarily mean national directly funds local MECs. I mean a large amount of money and resources are spent to support certain pilot groups in their efforts. Therefore their influence is felt in the decision making process of the MECs.

johnso29

Thank you for doing your part. FWIW(and that might be 0) I voted NO for the last DAL TA because I couldn't swallow giving up 70 more large RJs(there were other things, but I think it's a step in the right direction with our mainline:RJ block hour ratio)

I will continue to strive for bringing it in house.

johnso29

I don't agree, but I may have a different point of view simply because I'm a member of a large group. Regardless, I mean what I've stated earlier. I will continue to fight for bringing flying in house. FWIW. I can understand if you don't believe that, but I'll still keep trying.

Dutch1

I don't fly an RJ. I was responding to this:
I think every pilot at a major carrier that pays ALPA dues would wholeheartedly support you guys leaving ALPA. We have subsidized your MEC's for a long time while you were handed flying from our companies. Didn't hear too much complaining on your collective be halves as you readily added new cities and aircraft to the detriment of the mainline pilots. So please by all means: you're cleared for takeoff.
The mainline controls scope. They negotiate for it, so regional pilots did not add new cities to the detriment of anyone. Mainline pilots added those cities by negotiation. That did not start in bankruptcy, that started long ago with deregulation and it was ego driven. They did not want those small planes, so they allowed outsourcing. It bit them and all regional pilots in the ... The outsourcing is the root of this evil and not one single regional pilot is to blame for that. And only mainline can fix outsourcing. 250 hour guys wouldn't be in mainline cockpits, and they never should have been in regional cockpits either.

johnso29

Mainline pilots don't negotiate for "cities" and outsourcing did not start with deregulation. You're also incorrect in stating that not one single regional pilot is to blame. The planes only move if the pilots move them. PERIOD.

PCL_128

As someone who has been involved in ALPA from the lowest committee to the highest national governing body, I can tell you without a doubt that you're wrong. ALPA national goes out of its way to avoid giving direction to local MECs. It's actually something that I disagree with. I think there should be more national control, but I'm in the minority on that one.

I left Pinnacle years before that integration. I'm talking about our integration at AirTran.

proskuneho

Thank you for voting NOT to send more flying to the regionals. But again, what is the solution for those of us striving to make it to a mainline job? We all can't get good 135 jobs or military time. You yourself said that you bore some of the "blame" for accepting the conditions. All I am saying is that we DID accept the conditions AS THEY WERE when we committed to a flying career. After much investment in career change, flight training, experience building, etc, there comes a point that it is harder to turn back than it is to suck it up and push forward in the hopes for a better future. I will NOT take any more concessions on the way though. I will either find a different road, or I'll just go back to my old career.

AlaskaBound

I guess our MECs interacted differently with National or visa versa. In each and every email put out by the 9E MEC during the bankruptcy they all mentioned how they were taking direction from national, consulting with national, being guided by national, and how involved national was in their efforts.

johnso29

I applaud you drawing a line in the sand. It takes guts. And I'm not expecting you to shoulder all of the blame. All I want is for regional guys to accept that they are partially to blame. I did. I understand that the opportunities that exist for building time outside of RJs have dropped dramatically. But we still made the choice to fly the jets. The regional pilots do not shoulder all of the blame. But they do shoulder some. Regardless of what other opportunities may or may not exist.