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Old 01-30-2014, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Leroy Smith
Where are the ads in flying magazines to "Just say NO to Shiny Jet Syndrome!!"???
So far the only union I saw post something in Flying was the union that represents the RAH pilots. Great post by the way.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:08 AM
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Thank you for voting NOT to send more flying to the regionals. But again, what is the solution for those of us striving to make it to a mainline job? We all can't get good 135 jobs or military time. You yourself said that you bore some of the "blame" for accepting the conditions. All I am saying is that we DID accept the conditions AS THEY WERE when we committed to a flying career. After much investment in career change, flight training, experience building, etc, there comes a point that it is harder to turn back than it is to suck it up and push forward in the hopes for a better future. I will NOT take any more concessions on the way though. I will either find a different road, or I'll just go back to my old career.
I get it. Hold out till you get what you want. A strike of one.

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Old 04-02-2015, 11:36 AM
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Bottom line is that if individual MECs wouldn't approve concessionary deals, ALPA national wouldn't matter.
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Bottom line is that if individual MECs wouldn't approve concessionary deals, ALPA national wouldn't matter.
Yup...unions are soooooo effective at the regional level.
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Old 04-02-2015, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Bottom line is that if individual MECs wouldn't approve concessionary deals, ALPA national wouldn't matter.
But aren't the RJ MEC's controlled by the lifers.... they have more to lose by holding a line.

The pilots passing through are just along for their ride.
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Originally Posted by Squallrider
Yup...unions are soooooo effective at the regional level.

Regionals have nothing to do with it.

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But aren't the RJ MEC's controlled by the lifers.... they have more to lose by holding a line.



The pilots passing through are just along for their ride.

The MEC is controlled by the pilots voted into the mec by regulate ole line pilots of any seniority.
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Regionals have nothing to do with it.
Regionals have everything to do with it:.... You have no leverage because every regional pilot group will stab the other in the back to get ahead, getting ahead means getting more flying and since that's limited by scope you have to steal it from others by being cheaper. If you can't compete you will lose flying, you can't compete when others keep taking concessions and they always will because they believe their junk contract will only be temporary till they move on to mainline. You support alpa that pretend to play for both teams but in fact a new place on Main line. Mainlines have more pilots and with higher salaries there for greater dues. Plus added bonus their members are less likely to become unemployed continuing the dues. Mainline pilots have more bite, it's their flying by law; it can't go anywhere else.
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Bottom line is that if individual MECs wouldn't approve concessionary deals, ALPA national wouldn't matter.
Individual MECs....you know unions work off the premise that numbers create leverage....alpa is a bunch of independent MECs ...so no unity and no legerage.
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by full of luv
But aren't the RJ MEC's controlled by the lifers.... they have more to lose by holding a line.

The pilots passing through are just along for their ride.
Not really, in my experience lifers usually don't get involved with the union. They'll vote and what not but the people who run the mec's are usually somewhere in the middle of the seniority list.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Not really, in my experience lifers usually don't get involved with the union. They'll vote and what not but the people who run the mec's are usually somewhere in the middle of the seniority list.
Bingo. Majors can blame regionals and regionals can blame majors. In the end the majors created, and have allowed, growing regionals. You can argue all day long, but look at the contracts. Northwest held 44 seats as the max, then 50, the 76, then usair allowed 84 (I think it was -900's with Mesa w/o first class). Then it became "let's limit 76 seaters". Now mgmt wants more, majors want less, and regional pilots just want to be at a major or get an incentive to stay as a regional in the "lifer" group for retirement.

Everyone can point fingers, in the end, pilots fly planes and mgmt pays them. How much and how many seats is all negotiated.
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