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12-15-2006, 07:07 AM

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N261ND

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Originally Posted by rickair7777

The PIC in 121 is the person who is designated on the release as the captain, regardless of who flys the leg. This only comes into play if two captains are assigned to fly together...one will be the PIC(the most senior), the other will serve as FO and log SIC.

An SIC typed FO can only log SIC time in 121 ops. In order to fly as PIC you would need to complete the company's 121 captain training for that aircraft...a generic PIC type rating (say from flight safety) is not enough.

An FO who were to acquire a PIC type on his own dime could theoretically log PIC on part 91 repositioning legs, if the company and the captain agreed to it...but good luck with that

I'm glad you are here to explain this kind of stuff to people. (is the captain the pic

) are you kidding me?...these are the little "extra" things that you learn at an aviation university (at least mine). so i'm glad you and this forum are here to supplement peoples knowledge database, instead of educational institutions. as long as you don't mind answering these kind of questions...keep on bashing aviation colleges.

12-15-2006, 07:07 AM

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David Watts

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Originally Posted by fosters

We get our current rates recalculated in 2008 + 3% of industry, not to mention the yearly 1.5% COLA (laughable, but something).

I thought the 1.5% was industry standard.

I'm not sure what we got on the crap extension that we voted in, but probably the same.

12-15-2006, 07:41 AM

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fosters

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Originally Posted by N261ND

I'm glad you are here to explain this kind of stuff to people. (is the captain the pic

Sweet! I'm the first to say it!! TOOL!!!!

12-15-2006, 07:41 AM

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fosters

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Originally Posted by David Watts

I thought the 1.5% was industry standard.

I'm not sure what we got on the crap extension that we voted in, but probably the same.

Sadly, I think 0% is industry standard.

12-15-2006, 08:11 AM

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ToiletDuck

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Originally Posted by N261ND

I'm glad you are here to explain this kind of stuff to people. (is the captain the pic

So who do you work for??? How many hrs do you have? Just because you know the answer to one doesn't mean you know it all. I'm sure I could bust you a few things pretty easily. I didn't ask if the captain was PIC the entire time. I asked if a typed SIC could be PIC when flying the leg. Part 121 has different rules that I am unaware of. I don't really know why UND would be wasting their time teaching 121 regs. It will only be a few years before you're ready to be there. That's if you didn't go 135....

12-15-2006, 08:20 AM

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dojetdriver

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

Don't forget TD, you were the one that called airline pilots "idiots" for spending money on baggage.

12-15-2006, 08:50 AM

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ToiletDuck

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Originally Posted by dojetdriver

Don't forget TD, you were the one that called airline pilots "idiots" for spending money on baggage.

I most certainly did not. I called a $20k income regional pilot an idiot for wanting to drop $300 on A bag. I'll stand by that statement. I'll state it again. You are an idiot if you spend 2% of your yearly income on a bag when you could get one for 1/3rd the price that does the same thing. Good quality and all. I paid $40, have had it 8yrs, traveled all over the world, and it's still in great condition. It can last 2yrs at a regional.

What does that have to do with any of this anyway? Are you implying that your college taught you to spend $300 on a bag? I know that would be completely stupid, however, that's the only reason your statement would have any relevance here.

Last edited by ToiletDuck; 12-15-2006 at 08:55 AM.

12-15-2006, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

Lets see if we can work this out with just good ol' part 91... You have to be rated in the aircraft to log PIC, correct? You need a type rating to act as PIC in a turbojet powered aircraft, correct? If you have an SIC type, how would that make you qualified to act as the PIC? Seems like basic regs 101 to me...

12-15-2006, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

The question was if you were type rated in the aircraft to act as PIC but you were an FO. How would the question have had any relevance if it was about a typed for SIC only. A little thinking on your part might be required before spitting out an answer. In 91 operations when you fly the leg you can log it PIC even if you are the FO. I did not know about 121. Before saying something completely random and useless why don't you read the original post.

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I have a question. How does Express let you log flight time if you are the one in control of the aircraft? Do you get to log it pic? If you aren't typed you're always SIC correct? however if you have your type are you able to log PIC if you flew the leg?

Group the words together to make sentences. Read left to right. Tylenol for headaches, Mydol for cramps. Seems like a reasonable question for someone who hasn't flown 121. Rickair777 answered the question quite efficiently and easily. He answered it completely. Apparently he understood what I was saying quite easily. If you did not... well.... someone's special.

Last edited by ToiletDuck; 12-15-2006 at 09:06 AM.