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Old 12-12-2006, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters

We are talking about doing "point to point" flying bypassing a hub, essentially the old SWA business model but using aircraft 1/3 the size and double the operating costs.

Finally, somebdoy that knows what he talking about. I think it's about 30% more overall higher cost, but I could be wrong. But non the less, 1/3 the size (less potential for revenue) and more expensive (less potential for profit).
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Old 12-12-2006, 10:46 AM
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1/3 the size (less potential for revenue)
...and a lot less passengers to spread the overheads costs of the operation. Basically a recipe for a disaster.
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...and a lot less passengers to spread the overheads costs of the operation. Basically a recipe for a disaster.
fosters is right, no matter what the company, we're all doomed. Unless you work for fosters company, GET OUT NOW!!!
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:31 AM
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fosters is right, no matter what the company, we're all doomed. Unless you work for fosters company, GET OUT NOW!!!
Fosters works for AWAC, and so do I. We aren't faced with losing 1/4 of our fleet next year...but after the pilot group accepting concessions (based on company lies), United giving us the heave-ho, losing all the 146s and shrinking to 70 RJs, having over 80% of our company become commuters to the east coast and losing somewhere around 50% of the pilot group in 18 months, believe me when I say things aren't peaches & ice cream in Wiskeyland.
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Old 12-12-2006, 11:42 AM
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fosters is right, no matter what the company, we're all doomed. Unless you work for fosters company, GET OUT NOW!!!
75% of XJT flying is still well, going to be flying. My main beef is with people on here encouraging others to quit their jobs and go to XJT. WTF? Why would you knowingly take a gamble like that. To me, it's like walking into a rigged game of Poker with your fingers crossed.

I took a gample coming to the company I am at too. Although they had just signed their 10 year deal so I knew the company had a pretty good chance of hanging around for a bit. I'm all about calculated risks vs. rolling the dice with my eyes shut.

People going to XJT now are taking a big risk, IMO. You could end up on the street or you could end up at a company that starts its' own branded flying and ends up being the next SWA. Perspective employees should think about that vs. XJT's current 2 year upgrade time and good work rules.
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Old 12-12-2006, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fosters
...and a lot less passengers to spread the overheads costs of the operation. Basically a recipe for a disaster.
I'm not counting on getting a profit sharing check for 2007.
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Old 12-12-2006, 02:41 PM
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I must say, this sounded like a last resort for them to be headed in this direction. Hopefully it works out - although history doesn't look to favorably upon Companies using RJ's as their main money maker.
I agree, if the company wants this branded flying to take off, they are going to have to commit to larger airplanes in less than two years. They will definitely need something like a E190 to make money because of the CASMs on the E145, they are just too high.
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Old 12-12-2006, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by fosters
75% of XJT flying is still well, going to be flying. My main beef is with people on here encouraging others to quit their jobs and go to XJT. WTF? Why would you knowingly take a gamble like that. To me, it's like walking into a rigged game of Poker with your fingers crossed.

I took a gample coming to the company I am at too. Although they had just signed their 10 year deal so I knew the company had a pretty good chance of hanging around for a bit. I'm all about calculated risks vs. rolling the dice with my eyes shut.

People going to XJT now are taking a big risk, IMO. You could end up on the street or you could end up at a company that starts its' own branded flying and ends up being the next SWA. Perspective employees should think about that vs. XJT's current 2 year upgrade time and good work rules.
First of all every job at there is a gamble. Second you don't work at XJT so you have no idea what is going on here or what is planned. You can speculate all day long, but we will all wait and see. We all get it you hate XJT. Ok enough. We turned you down for a job now you come on here and say how terrible a place it is.

If you know so much than why don't you go into management. You are smart enough to know that there is no money being a pilot. The only people that make money are the bosses. So quit bashing XJT and apply for a managers position somewhere.
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First of all every job at there is a gamble. Second you don't work at XJT so you have no idea what is going on here or what is planned. You can speculate all day long, but we will all wait and see. We all get it you hate XJT. Ok enough. We turned you down for a job now you come on here and say how terrible a place it is.

If you know so much than why don't you go into management. You are smart enough to know that there is no money being a pilot. The only people that make money are the bosses. So quit bashing XJT and apply for a managers position somewhere.
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First of all every job at there is a gamble. Second you don't work at XJT so you have no idea what is going on here or what is planned. You can speculate all day long, but we will all wait and see. We all get it you hate XJT. Ok enough. We turned you down for a job now you come on here and say how terrible a place it is.

If you know so much than why don't you go into management. You are smart enough to know that there is no money being a pilot. The only people that make money are the bosses. So quit bashing XJT and apply for a managers position somewhere.
Sorry to disappoint, I never even applied there. Number one I didn't like the fact that it had undergone such huge growth in such a short of time, number two I didn't like that I would be on the bottom of a VERY large seniority list, and number three I didn't like the bases and I made the decision to live in domicile when I started applying for the regionals. I didn't have 600 hours when hired, I could be picky . I never said it was a terrible place to work, did I? Please post a link to backup your allegation. All my reasons were personal, none were made because the Company itself was "bad".

Anyway, I have already said we will have to wait and see what their year in financials look like in 4Q 2007. People on here agree with me, even those that work for XJT, so I can't be too far off. In the mean time, pilots will do what we do best and think of better ways to run the company .

Ever see the movie office space? That's why I don't leave for management . That, and there's no real money in that either. The only people that make the real money are the ones working for themselves. Bosses are still employees.
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