View Poll Results: Will you support a legal job action?
Yes. Whatever it takes.
31
96.88%
No. I have no dog in this fight and/or rather not get involved.
1
3.13%
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Legal Job Action.
10-04-2013, 06:57 PM
#15
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We now have a tool what we didn't have before. That tool is social media. Best of all, this is America and no law can tell me that I can't suggest that we should do something to better our careers. Especially since I'm not advocating for anything illegal. Picking up open time is still a choice. If you want to you can but I won't be.
All you're saying is shut up and take it. You realize that you're part of the problem right?
10-04-2013, 07:40 PM
#16
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Thank you to whoever started the "Stop the Whipsaw" movement. Even though it wasn't successful in stopping the PSA massacre of 2013 at least it was a great effort. We need more of that.
We all know that we are underpaid and that there's no way it'll ever get better if something doesn't change. Every other thread on here has someone complain about how their company sucks or how because another regional sucks it's forcing them to suck too. Well I have news for you...We're all horrible and if you're at the top of the regional food chain then you're next to come down a notch.
Or maybe you're a senior captain an interview away from leaving the regionals to a better place. Well, you'd have a lot better job security and growth if there weren't pilots flying for nothing. There should be no Commercial Airline pilot barely making it from paycheck to paycheck. We should be able to feed our families and secure our future. Legacy pilots should be just as outraged by our pay and work rules but they're not and it's up to us few who see the problem but have hope.
Remember that there is management on here or just people who sympathize with them so negative comments are expected. What's hard to swallow is fellow pilots putting down other pilots for imploring change.
We all know that we are underpaid and that there's no way it'll ever get better if something doesn't change. Every other thread on here has someone complain about how their company sucks or how because another regional sucks it's forcing them to suck too. Well I have news for you...We're all horrible and if you're at the top of the regional food chain then you're next to come down a notch.
Or maybe you're a senior captain an interview away from leaving the regionals to a better place. Well, you'd have a lot better job security and growth if there weren't pilots flying for nothing. There should be no Commercial Airline pilot barely making it from paycheck to paycheck. We should be able to feed our families and secure our future. Legacy pilots should be just as outraged by our pay and work rules but they're not and it's up to us few who see the problem but have hope.
Remember that there is management on here or just people who sympathize with them so negative comments are expected. What's hard to swallow is fellow pilots putting down other pilots for imploring change.
10-04-2013, 07:51 PM
#17
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Position: Baja Vermont
Posts: 5,197
NoLightOff,
Hetman speaks facts, not opinion; get used to it. I was on the EAL MEC, we ran a "Max Safety" program, or rather, someone ran it outside the MEC. We all got sued under a Federal RICO suit. Sheriff comes to my one-bedroom apartment, serves me and I pointed out, everything in the place wasn't worth $500, I'd settle out of court. He laughed.
Yes, any organized work stoppage or action to impair your employer's business is likely to blowback in a bad way. If you don't want to pick up open time--great. See how it works at the majors, where senior guys pickup open time with guys furloughed. Human nature.
GF
Hetman speaks facts, not opinion; get used to it. I was on the EAL MEC, we ran a "Max Safety" program, or rather, someone ran it outside the MEC. We all got sued under a Federal RICO suit. Sheriff comes to my one-bedroom apartment, serves me and I pointed out, everything in the place wasn't worth $500, I'd settle out of court. He laughed.
Yes, any organized work stoppage or action to impair your employer's business is likely to blowback in a bad way. If you don't want to pick up open time--great. See how it works at the majors, where senior guys pickup open time with guys furloughed. Human nature.
GF
10-04-2013, 08:07 PM
#18
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NoLightOff,
Hetman speaks facts, not opinion; get used to it. I was on the EAL MEC, we ran a "Max Safety" program, or rather, someone ran it outside the MEC. We all got sued under a Federal RICO suit. Sheriff comes to my one-bedroom apartment, serves me and I pointed out, everything in the place wasn't worth $500, I'd settle out of court. He laughed.
Yes, any organized work stoppage or action to impair your employer's business is likely to blowback in a bad way. If you don't want to pick up open time--great. See how it works at the majors, where senior guys pickup open time with guys furloughed. Human nature.
GF
Hetman speaks facts, not opinion; get used to it. I was on the EAL MEC, we ran a "Max Safety" program, or rather, someone ran it outside the MEC. We all got sued under a Federal RICO suit. Sheriff comes to my one-bedroom apartment, serves me and I pointed out, everything in the place wasn't worth $500, I'd settle out of court. He laughed.
Yes, any organized work stoppage or action to impair your employer's business is likely to blowback in a bad way. If you don't want to pick up open time--great. See how it works at the majors, where senior guys pickup open time with guys furloughed. Human nature.
GF
Hey is this legal?
Pilot for hire. Will fly for $1 an hour less than any other pilot as long as the airplane has jet engines under the wings.
Might as well.
10-04-2013, 09:02 PM
#19
Da Hudge
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Poodle Whisperer
Posts: 17,473
You can't be serious. Why is it that there's always someone that comes on here and put holes in every attempt to do something? Are you in management? Not trying to make it a personal attack because you're probably a nice guy but if someone comes on here and risks posting what I posted please don't be so negative.
Again, nothing personal but it's comments and reasoning like yours that we are where we are. We can have them by the balls. We have nothing to loose and everything to gain if we just unite in saying "this isn't right and we deserve better".
If you're scared then keep doing what you're doing. I for one will never pick up open time and hope others join me.
Again, nothing personal but it's comments and reasoning like yours that we are where we are. We can have them by the balls. We have nothing to loose and everything to gain if we just unite in saying "this isn't right and we deserve better".
If you're scared then keep doing what you're doing. I for one will never pick up open time and hope others join me.
10-05-2013, 06:01 AM
#20
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Joined APC: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,951
I'm the first guy to bang the unity drum, but this thread and poll is suggesting a ILLEGAL job action, not a legal one. Posting this could very well open you up to significant liability if management figures out who you are, which is very easy to do if they subpoena this site's records, since it requires everyone to sign up with a "hard" email address. I suggest you pm the mods and beg them to delete the whole thread!
The list of pilot groups that have been slapped with injunctions for less is long and distinguished. You really need to do some research instead of the tired tactic of calling everyone who tries to reason with you a management sympathizer.
But with that said, neither you nor management can control individual pilot actions. If you still wish to reach out to your fellow pilots, the best way to organize unity is word of mouth, not on a public forum. (hint, hint).
The list of pilot groups that have been slapped with injunctions for less is long and distinguished. You really need to do some research instead of the tired tactic of calling everyone who tries to reason with you a management sympathizer.
But with that said, neither you nor management can control individual pilot actions. If you still wish to reach out to your fellow pilots, the best way to organize unity is word of mouth, not on a public forum. (hint, hint).
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