Senior Skipper

I'm curious. Why were PSA pilots worried about their jobs? Didn't the company just post some pretty big profits? I can see why somebody would vote yes if the situation is lower pay vs. no pay, but was that really the state of affairs at PSA?

dash8

Because the new party line at alpa is "if you dont play ball with taking concessions you'll end up like comair"

pagey

The union made it known that during negotiations Airways mentioned that our 200 leases would be up in 2019 and that would be that.

buddies8

yes because alpa is making sure there are extra profits at mainline so they can increase pay and benefits of mainline pilots. while alpa and management in collusion with each other keep regional pilots in servitude.

skyxbomb

Yes the negotiators from airways pretty much said this would be end game for PSA if we vote it down. They've also said its okay if we vote no, they're going to Mesa next.

These are numbers people. No hard feelings but the 35 crj200 and 14 crj700 is not worth being operated. Parker also said the new American will not have any 50 seater jets.

These are real threats. Airways is making record profit. That makes them more dangerous when negotiating contrary to the popular belief that concessions should only be given in bankruptcy.

And despite all these threats, many of us rather burn this place down than to give another penny in concessions when the company IS making record profit and despite our small size, we did contribute. So instead of rewarding us, they're setting us up for failure whether the TA passes or fails. Many of you spectators don't see that we lose either way.

Paid2fly

I believe it was all time record profits for that quarter, in the history of the company...

BT13

So if you had a car lease and it was coming up to it's final month, you could call the company and ask them to just give you the rest of the year off with pay until they could arrange a higher pay rate so you could drive a newer, nicer car? It makes zero sense.

8ballfreight

Why would they willingly consolidate completion. Blink. Blink.

cactusmike

Having worked for Doug Parker since he came to America West I can tell you that if he said PSA would be gone without this deal then he meant it. He would go right down the line to the next airline and shop those jets to them. Doug is a pure numbers guy, he does not care one bit about anyone employed by his company or the companies he contracts lift out to. We are cogs in the machine. The only good thing is that he runs a tight ship and we make money because he can squeeze costs where he can. Unfortunately, employee compensation is the easiest cost of all to squeeze.

Regionals are contract fliers. If your costs go up you are gone. Right now airline managements have the upper hand because in this era of consolidation there are fewer routes to fly, and no one wants the high cost 30 to 50 seaters we had before, turboprops or turbojets. The only reason anything under 75 seats will remain will be because they are low cost operations that are flying just to keep the airframes moving before they get parked in the desert.

In about 3 to 5 years the situation will change again, it always does. The number of big jet retirements will force a change in the way majors deal with their feeders. But for now there is nothing that will stop the majors from playing off their contracted regional flying. I have been around this business for a really long time. The number of regionals that were the top place to work is significant. None of those carriers exist in the same way today, if they exist at all. Comair, anyone?

pagey

This actually jives with what was told to us in roadshows etc....

"These guys aren't playing games likePSA did during section 6. It's all about cost for them" this was also one of the reasons given that airways would honor these agreements as written and not **** with us.