buddies8

pagey, these guys at psa are one in the same with mainline management, they are employed by U.S.. it all depends how fast you capitulate to them. parker can not go anywhere except to an airline they physically own and control to squeeze for concessions, first everyone should understand that simple fact. second fact, you capitulated and mesa got more crj900's without concessions.

its a poker game, alpa sucks, alpa sold you out, you mec sucked as former eagle mec did and you need stamina.

Cactusmike is right about numbers, they have promised mainline pilots a large number of cash and they want to get it from someone else to pay, i.e.; YOU at regional level.

If it is cheaper at regionals the jobs aint going to be at mainline, if it was not for retirements, mainlines would not be hiring now as in past and would not for another 8 years, but they too via attrition will shrink and the flying will go to large rj's because you a cheaper than just cheap now.

just an opinion based on history and facts.

cartean

Just playing devils advocate here. But really the leases have nothing to do with anything. The leases are under us airways not PSA. Us airways could at anytime have someone else flies the planes.

Captain Tony

Thanks for that sage advice, dad.

I'm pretty sure Merchant and I are on opposite sides of this issue.

buddies8

also to add that psa, pdt and eagle are owned feeders by a mainline. you do not know what the cost of these three carriers are on a line by line item because they are held private by mainline.

at eagle we have an average one supervisor per three employees, two managers per 5 supervisors. we are top heavy and these are expenses. when aa want to show they are cutting back on management, aa cuts them from aa and shuffles them over to eagle with aa benefits. if this is the same at pdt, psa then why would the pilots take concessions just to keep management employed.

if management wants to shuffle aircraft to another carrier, let them, they are doing that with out concessions from both carriers then, the cost have not changed and they were going to do it anyhow.

at eagle the mec and negotiators and some base lec's lied to the pilots, the pilots were weak at eagle and conceded concessions and what happened, LAX is flown by SkyWest, 1/3 DFW is flown by ExpressJet and in ORD they are waiting for all 47 E175's to show up flown by Republic. Point is they are going to do it anyway, it is there plan so why support and finance the knife to cut your throat via concessions when they are going to do it anyhow to you.

FixTheMess

This is incorrect. Majors still need feed to hubs, and even a 50 seat rj costs less to operate out of IPT, FLO, PGV, OAJ, and hundreds of other podunk airports, than an E175, or E190. Many small cities just cant fill up larger aircraft yet, but those passengers still pay big bucks to connect through the hubs. I agree that 50 seat fleets will be shrinking, and frequency will be reduced, as some routes get up-sized equipment, but there will still be a need for some 37-50 seat aircraft. This isn't solely because they may be low cost operations. It is because there is no scope to keep 37-50 seat aircraft at mainline.

PurdueFlyer

The funny thing about PSA pilots crying they had to vote yes or get shut down in 2020-2021 is that Eagle is facing a shutdown in 2017 or earlier.

All of their ERJs will be returned to lessors by 2017 according to bankruptcy court documents. They also got a letter alluding to a shutdown as soon as they get below 70 airframes. That could happen before 2017.

Despite that their representatives, at the direction of their pilot group, turned down concessions.

Any way you slice it, Eagle was in a more fire situation then PSA yet PSA voted out of fear.

Well done yes voters, well done....

Sorry those PSA voters that voted no will get suffer the back lash cause by the spineless yes voters.

seafeye

Regionals were created because mainline pilots gave up scope. Why did they give up scope? For more pay.
Now 20 years later it is biting them on the oss.

I don't want 90 seaters at the regional level. Or 70 for that matter. Hell get rid of the 50's.
10-15 years at a regional only to start at the bottom again at some major. Not my idea of a good career. I didn't start this business, I'm just along for the ride.

buddies8

actually seafeye, regionals were commuters and they had nothing to do with mainlines, that had there own schedule and routes. then mainlines wanted to have that passeneger traffic for them selves via codeshare and then and then and then regionals became what they are. why not a bus driver say that the demise of there industry was airlines selling cheap tickets which completed with greyhound and trailways and put them out of business.

go back to your books and do some more research for management.

seafeye

Mainline gave up scope.
Need I say more?

chrisreedrules

So as a young pilot thinking about making the leap and working at a regional in the near future... This has been a big let down. What do you guys think may be some of the ramifications of this vote? More "whipsaw"?