Flows to Majors. Who will get them?
09-04-2013, 05:30 AM
#151
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Nice flamebait.
But for the sake of argument, an 8 year RJ pilot is equivalent to a 3 year RJ pilot when you subtract out the 5 years you greedy Boomers stole from him in the Age 65 debacle. And even back in the 90s 3 years at a "commuter" was pretty standard. You can hardly call a 8 year regional pilot a lifer, but if it satisfies your ego, go for it.
At ASA an 8 year pilot can barely even hold Captain.
But for the sake of argument, an 8 year RJ pilot is equivalent to a 3 year RJ pilot when you subtract out the 5 years you greedy Boomers stole from him in the Age 65 debacle. And even back in the 90s 3 years at a "commuter" was pretty standard. You can hardly call a 8 year regional pilot a lifer, but if it satisfies your ego, go for it.
At ASA an 8 year pilot can barely even hold Captain.
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09-04-2013, 05:50 AM
#152
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When I interviewed at 9E, there were 15 guys interviewing. Only 3 guys made it. In my class of 8, two didn't make it through training. I'm not sure what your definition of "not very selective" is, but only a 20% hiring rate for my interview class, I'd say is pretty selective. The mainline carriers have not always been selective, I know a guy who worked for Delta that was hired with 250 hours, and no 4 year degree.
09-04-2013, 05:51 AM
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I'd say its a lot more than that.
Say 10 guys are in a newhire class at a regional. You're going to have the guy in that class that is the worst most inept pilot. Theres always that one guy that shouldn't be flying anyone, much less as a mainline pilot.
Over time, the other 9 guys move on to other better airlines. This one guy can't get a job anywhere else, he's reached the maximum of his career potential and instead just sits on the regional airline seniority list and continually moves up it over time.
Now imagine this one guy from every class. The top of the seniority list, over time, is going to collect these "1 guy"s. The guys where they've hit the glass ceiling and just don't have what it takes to get on to a mainline carrier. Everyone knows they exist. Thats why the senior part of every regional's list is disproportionately full of idiots. Its because pilots who have the ability and desire and drive to get out of a regional never end up being there longer than everyone else and being that senior.
These are also the guys that fight the hardest for a flow. Because its their one chance. They can't get the job through an interview. And they'd be the first to flow. These are the guys that will be filling the mainline newhire classes and leap frogging the good pilots who deserve to be in them.
They're the reason why regional airline seniority lists are full of idiots, why mainline pilots view regional airline pilot groups as lesser pilots, and why nobody with any sort of skill as a pilot should ever want a flow to exist. And none of this is extreme, its the truth and it exists everywhere.
Say 10 guys are in a newhire class at a regional. You're going to have the guy in that class that is the worst most inept pilot. Theres always that one guy that shouldn't be flying anyone, much less as a mainline pilot.
Over time, the other 9 guys move on to other better airlines. This one guy can't get a job anywhere else, he's reached the maximum of his career potential and instead just sits on the regional airline seniority list and continually moves up it over time.
Now imagine this one guy from every class. The top of the seniority list, over time, is going to collect these "1 guy"s. The guys where they've hit the glass ceiling and just don't have what it takes to get on to a mainline carrier. Everyone knows they exist. Thats why the senior part of every regional's list is disproportionately full of idiots. Its because pilots who have the ability and desire and drive to get out of a regional never end up being there longer than everyone else and being that senior.
These are also the guys that fight the hardest for a flow. Because its their one chance. They can't get the job through an interview. And they'd be the first to flow. These are the guys that will be filling the mainline newhire classes and leap frogging the good pilots who deserve to be in them.
They're the reason why regional airline seniority lists are full of idiots, why mainline pilots view regional airline pilot groups as lesser pilots, and why nobody with any sort of skill as a pilot should ever want a flow to exist. And none of this is extreme, its the truth and it exists everywhere.
Tony: This.
Absolutely spot on, lolwut. If you can't see it exists, you're probably in that group.
Your list on who gets called for mainline is downright ignorant. They call you via qualifications and recommendations help get you moved to the shorter stack. Knowing people does help, but it certainly isn't the end all be all, and definitely doesn't get you the job. Pilot's kids got the interview at DL with fair routine, but they had a rather high failure rate on the interview.
Anyone who says it's all luck is speaking out of their rectum.
Absolutely spot on, lolwut. If you can't see it exists, you're probably in that group.
Your list on who gets called for mainline is downright ignorant. They call you via qualifications and recommendations help get you moved to the shorter stack. Knowing people does help, but it certainly isn't the end all be all, and definitely doesn't get you the job. Pilot's kids got the interview at DL with fair routine, but they had a rather high failure rate on the interview.
Anyone who says it's all luck is speaking out of their rectum.
09-04-2013, 05:59 AM
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You both are under the ASSumption that everyone dreams of going to mainline and that is their sole goal in life. Most of the best pilots I know (that could fly circles around any given mainline god) are not at mainline due to a lack of flying or people skills, but because they are content living in base, watching their kids grow up on those 18 days off.
09-04-2013, 06:08 AM
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hahahaha! I do not have a bone to pick in this argument of who's better, but it's funny to know that there is such ignorance in this world (really it's not funny just depressing to see that such stupidity can be found and it make's you just laugh). And, in case you were curios toomanyrjs, I'm not a 8 yr RJ captain trying to justify anything.
And where somebody works and why they work there, whether it's a 747 or Saab, WHO CARES! It is up to them and if they are happy doing that, good for them. If they choose to work there and are happy, that's awesome. If they are trying to go fly bigger planes at a major, that's great too. It all boils down to one thing....YOU ARE FLYING PLANES FOR A JOB, IT'S NOT WHO YOU ARE.
And where somebody works and why they work there, whether it's a 747 or Saab, WHO CARES! It is up to them and if they are happy doing that, good for them. If they choose to work there and are happy, that's awesome. If they are trying to go fly bigger planes at a major, that's great too. It all boils down to one thing....YOU ARE FLYING PLANES FOR A JOB, IT'S NOT WHO YOU ARE.
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09-04-2013, 06:13 AM
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I hear ya, and I felt that way not long ago, but with the death of the regional business model, I really don't see that QOL lasting more than 5 more years. If you're 10 or less from retirement, you're set, but anyone with 15-20 more better look for a job now rather than 10 years from now.
true, I should have said "were content." Past tense
09-04-2013, 06:21 AM
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I thought you were joking until I read your other posts. You are a sad, bitter poor excuse of a "Professional" pilot and clueless about the industry. You may think RJ guys have less skill that you Major guys, but your posts prove that 99% have more professionalism than you. I especially like the post where you implied that if you were a sim check airman that NO RAH guy would pass the checkride on the Airbus to protect "your" seat. What major are you at anyways? Frontier? Wait that makes YOU a regional pilot!
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09-04-2013, 09:24 AM
#158
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I see CLAMP/General Lee is back here to exude superiority, but still didn't address my question. Is that a "win" too then? What say you General? Why are you allowing all these "undesirables" to pose as Delta pilots? The pax sure as heck don't know the difference. Tell me more about your mighty interview process keeping the brand pure...
I didn't vote yes on the last contract due to lack of scope recapture, nor did I vote yes for any scope concessions previously. What more of a say do I have than that?
09-04-2013, 09:29 AM
#159
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You both are under the ASSumption that everyone dreams of going to mainline and that is their sole goal in life. Most of the best pilots I know (that could fly circles around any given mainline god) are not at mainline due to a lack of flying or people skills, but because they are content living in base, watching their kids grow up on those 18 days off.
If they are content, it's out of ignorance mostly.. They are probably just saying that to try to act like they are fine being a lifer. All 9E bases are DL bases, and I'm bottom lineholder on the 320 in ATL this month...I have 19 days off (no vacation days) and am making way more than any 9E captain. I've been home for every milestone of my son.
09-07-2013, 12:17 PM
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I'd say its a lot more than that.
Say 10 guys are in a newhire class at a regional. You're going to have the guy in that class that is the worst most inept pilot. Theres always that one guy that shouldn't be flying anyone, much less as a mainline pilot.
Over time, the other 9 guys move on to other better airlines. This one guy can't get a job anywhere else, he's reached the maximum of his career potential and instead just sits on the regional airline seniority list and continually moves up it over time.
Now imagine this one guy from every class. The top of the seniority list, over time, is going to collect these "1 guy"s. The guys where they've hit the glass ceiling and just don't have what it takes to get on to a mainline carrier. Everyone knows they exist. Thats why the senior part of every regional's list is disproportionately full of idiots. Its because pilots who have the ability and desire and drive to get out of a regional never end up being there longer than everyone else and being that senior.
These are also the guys that fight the hardest for a flow. Because its their one chance. They can't get the job through an interview. And they'd be the first to flow. These are the guys that will be filling the mainline newhire classes and leap frogging the good pilots who deserve to be in them.
They're the reason why regional airline seniority lists are full of idiots, why mainline pilots view regional airline pilot groups as lesser pilots, and why nobody with any sort of skill as a pilot should ever want a flow to exist. And none of this is extreme, its the truth and it exists everywhere.
Say 10 guys are in a newhire class at a regional. You're going to have the guy in that class that is the worst most inept pilot. Theres always that one guy that shouldn't be flying anyone, much less as a mainline pilot.
Over time, the other 9 guys move on to other better airlines. This one guy can't get a job anywhere else, he's reached the maximum of his career potential and instead just sits on the regional airline seniority list and continually moves up it over time.
Now imagine this one guy from every class. The top of the seniority list, over time, is going to collect these "1 guy"s. The guys where they've hit the glass ceiling and just don't have what it takes to get on to a mainline carrier. Everyone knows they exist. Thats why the senior part of every regional's list is disproportionately full of idiots. Its because pilots who have the ability and desire and drive to get out of a regional never end up being there longer than everyone else and being that senior.
These are also the guys that fight the hardest for a flow. Because its their one chance. They can't get the job through an interview. And they'd be the first to flow. These are the guys that will be filling the mainline newhire classes and leap frogging the good pilots who deserve to be in them.
They're the reason why regional airline seniority lists are full of idiots, why mainline pilots view regional airline pilot groups as lesser pilots, and why nobody with any sort of skill as a pilot should ever want a flow to exist. And none of this is extreme, its the truth and it exists everywhere.
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