Flows to Majors. Who will get them?
09-03-2013, 08:18 AM
#131
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It's beyond ridiculous. Anyone who thinks skill gets you an interview in this industry isn't in this industry. In fact, qualifications have become somewhat of a liability in this most recent round of hiring as most of the newhires have low 121 time.
09-03-2013, 08:19 AM
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Anyone at a regional who consistently sees pilots junior/younger/less experienced to them leaving for better jobs while they haven't been able to needs to take a good hard look in the mirror, because it isn't the system thats broken.
09-03-2013, 08:20 AM
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Clearly not an airline pilot. Go back to your own sandbox with your "opinions" as a guest-observer.
09-03-2013, 08:21 AM
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All of this isn't just skill, its also personality, professionalism, etc.
Anyone at a regional who consistently sees pilots junior/younger/less experienced to them leaving for better jobs while they haven't been able to needs to take a good hard look in the mirror, because it isn't the system thats broken.
Anyone at a regional who consistently sees pilots junior/younger/less experienced to them leaving for better jobs while they haven't been able to needs to take a good hard look in the mirror, because it isn't the system thats broken.
Isn't that what gets you the JOB? You have to get the interview first, and that's what we're talking about here. Try to keep up Pops.
And everyone I know junior/younger/less has been a quota, legacy, or intern.
09-03-2013, 09:12 AM
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I've spent countless hours in jumpseats both on mainline and regional equipment and I sincerely believe that this is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this forum. I nominate lolwut as tool of the day. It's a good thing that your opinion does not count for anything and your life is consisting of posting idiotic comments like this. I'll leave it at that because so much more can be said.
09-03-2013, 10:03 AM
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I hope your comment is not sincere and you meant it as a joke but I'll bite because I just have to contribute to this nonsense. You can't honestly classify the entire regional pilot group as inferior to mainline pilots with regards to skills, profession or capabilities.
I've spent countless hours in jumpseats both on mainline and regional equipment and I sincerely believe that this is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this forum. I nominate lolwut as tool of the day. It's a good thing that your opinion does not count for anything and your life is consisting of posting idiotic comments like this. I'll leave it at that because so much more can be said.
I've spent countless hours in jumpseats both on mainline and regional equipment and I sincerely believe that this is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on this forum. I nominate lolwut as tool of the day. It's a good thing that your opinion does not count for anything and your life is consisting of posting idiotic comments like this. I'll leave it at that because so much more can be said.
09-03-2013, 12:42 PM
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All of this isn't just skill, its also personality, professionalism, etc.
Anyone at a regional who consistently sees pilots junior/younger/less experienced to them leaving for better jobs while they haven't been able to needs to take a good hard look in the mirror, because it isn't the system thats broken.
Anyone at a regional who consistently sees pilots junior/younger/less experienced to them leaving for better jobs while they haven't been able to needs to take a good hard look in the mirror, because it isn't the system thats broken.
now that's just funny right there.......just as an observation from a guy with 5000 tpic, LCA, PCA, zero pink slips, not hired with 300 hours, degree, no DUI etc........as I am told by an FO a few weeks ago with 2 pinks and a DUI and zero PIC he got on with the same major airline that sent me a "thanks but we have found someone more qualified" email. Please show me where on that computerized fill in the blank form they look at my character/work ethic/reputation etc.
PS I sure hate it when I agree with TONY
09-03-2013, 04:55 PM
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We are all mostly the same. The only difference between a SWA FO and a 8 year RJ captain is timing. Most guys I run into at the mainline level feel lucky and are generally humble to be in that position. They don't view themselves as superior.
09-03-2013, 05:31 PM
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"MOST... above average." Uhh? Do I have to explain what average means to you? Sure, I guess you could correctly say this, but only if those few that are below average are REALLY far below. And that'd be your 10% that 80kts brought up.
1. Aside from being someone's kid, the other things you listed are because you've worked hard and made yourself stand out. Thats how the job world works. Nobody is owed a job, you have to work for one. Pilots with 1000 TPIC are a dime a dozen, you have to work hard, stand out, and make a good impression to people with power. Who you know isn't dumb luck.
2. I'm sure this happens but it is by far not the majority of pilots hired.
3. Again, this is understanding the system and working hard to get a better job. That better job isn't going to just come to you because you've met the logbook requirements.
4. Sure, theres some of that, but its hard to blame it on luck when you see that the guys going to mainline are above average of the pilot group as a whole. Check airmen, instructors, etc aren't getting there because of luck. They're getting there because they've worked hard, gone above and beyond, networked, and done well in their career.
1. Aside from being someone's kid, the other things you listed are because you've worked hard and made yourself stand out. Thats how the job world works. Nobody is owed a job, you have to work for one. Pilots with 1000 TPIC are a dime a dozen, you have to work hard, stand out, and make a good impression to people with power. Who you know isn't dumb luck.
2. I'm sure this happens but it is by far not the majority of pilots hired.
3. Again, this is understanding the system and working hard to get a better job. That better job isn't going to just come to you because you've met the logbook requirements.
4. Sure, theres some of that, but its hard to blame it on luck when you see that the guys going to mainline are above average of the pilot group as a whole. Check airmen, instructors, etc aren't getting there because of luck. They're getting there because they've worked hard, gone above and beyond, networked, and done well in their career.
I fly 650-700 flights a year. I am more current and proficient than most major airline pilots out there. You advance in this career two ways.
1) Knowing the right people or
2) Having good timing.
We have had many bad, horrible, terrible, awful, shake your head in disbelief pilots go to the majors and many great, fantastic pilots get turned down.
HR does not know how to hire pilots. If an airplane crashed every time they hired a crap pilot then you would see a burning hole each and every day.
09-03-2013, 05:37 PM
#140
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You must be one of those flight attendants that doesn't like me stowing my bag in a mainline closet.
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