Saabs

Think ur a bit out of touch with reality. It was voted on to keep their job not for some agreement that may or may not work for a bunch of people IF they even want to go to delta. Many didn't want to start over in the right seat at another regional. I know I'm not willing to. We now keep our jobs until we get hired where we want.

Mesabah

The guys Delta hired out of XJ were on a large number of pilot's no fly lists here. How do you account for this? I'm not talking about pre-merger NWA guys here, I'm talking about guys who went through the Delta hiring process from XJ only. Now that they are at DAL perhaps they have changed, but when they were here at XJ, they weren't well liked.

mooney

you do realize that it is all original 9e peeps who are instructors on the unfenced side right? and 80% of the APD's have been there since the beginning......or am I reading your post wrong? But what would I know I was like 160 original 9e, so I obviously have 3 dui's, 4 pinks and zero personality...PM me if you really want to know what was/is wrong with training, if your mind isn't made up already. I think you'll be in for some eye opening surprises.

gojo

For Hockeypilot44 and 80 knots, it wouldn't be fair to judge the entire pilot group by a few pinnacle pilots. Ok, it might be several. For some reason they seem to have a higher percentage of clowns than the average. As cesnal put it, "cowboys". Just poor leadership and guidance over the years, and they just do whatever they want. I hope that this culture changes soon, and I think the training department is already making some positive changes. It's just that some of these senior pilots are pretty set in their ways. Most of the fo's I fly with are good guys with good piloting skills. Even the low time ones. Crm, and flight deck organizational skills are lacking a bit. For some reason sharing the atis, clearance, and performance numbers are a strange concept. But that was the way they were taught. Everyone wrote down everything for themselves. Anyway, my point is, there's a lot of good guys here too.

9easy

My favorite base was MEM.. the cowboy mentality is a lot worse in DTW where you have the bulk of sulky, complaining, ****ed off commuters, and JetU/gulfstream types.

Imapilot2

Ok lets clear my understanding. Maybe I am splitting hairs here,"the guys that went through the hiring process"......two ways, premerger DELTA, pilots went through the entire interview process in its totallity from XJ and were hired by Delta. The flows had no testing, interview or psych exam to fail, just a checklist of extreme items were covered like felonies, no degree....but there was no "hiring process" So you say the guys Delta had no choice in the matter to take "flows" were the jerks? or " the pilots that went through the hiring process that Delta?
Yes there is a difference, one where personality was checked by a three panel Delta team and one where there was not. Again it doesn't mean its a perfect process but this is where airlines filter, at their best, the personalities they prefer.

Before anyone has a tizzy, I have no problem with the flow at all but there is a massive difference between making it through the entire Delta hiring process and flowing over. I'm not condemning one or the other, they are just apples and oranges.

Also I know many of the flows and most were good pilots and nice to fly with. There has been only a couple I wish never would have come over. That's the case everywhere though. Most of the past flows are great guys IMO.

Will

All of the FO's that I have flown with are great guys with great pilot skills. I do agree sharing of the info is a little hard for them but each one I have worked with is at least trying to share. When they work with an ex XJ guy they have to share when they work with a legacy pinnacle pilot I am sure the captain is not sharing info so it's back to the old way. I guess if I was in charge I would put something in writing either we are going to share or we are not. But we can't have such a wishy washy procedure it just doesn't make good CRM.

ShyGuy

Long term industry pain for a short term personal gain. Isn't that what regional pilots beotch about major pilots did with scope? Or is this different when they threaten with a potential so-called "job loss."

Mesabah

What, I'm saying is that from an outsider looking in, I would say Delta likes to hire guys that are arrogant. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, it's simply an observation. Jerks is perhaps the wrong word, but the guys hired from XJ outside of the flow were quite arrogant. I'm just saying the people Delta doesn't want are the immature ones, not necessarily the D-bags.

Saabs

There is no other regional in my future. Call it selfish call it whatever but I won't be there for any long term industry pain at the regional level.