Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

Those are primarily Republic guys hired in 85/early 86 and there is only a tiny handful that don't have it. Excellent pilots and even better story tellers. Republic didn't require it at the time... those were the qualifications.

Originally Posted by Imapilot2

I can see where you would get that after rereading, let me be more clear, I am comparing gulfstream to gulfstream. Sorry, no intent to group everyone in one bucket.

Although I made no reference to what makes a good pilot. I don't hire pilots Delta does but.....my opinion, which is mostly all this board is, is that without the degree=no interview. Like others have said, change it for ALL OR NONE. My idea would be to keep it. There must be a way to whittle 10000 applications down to a few thousand to interview. This piece of criteria does a good job at narrowing the field to those willing to go the extra mile. Just like the atp type test questions at the interview. Are you really going to need to know what type aspect ratio a certain type of plane has? No but they know people that research the interview are aware of those types of questions. Those that take extra time to study a huge bank of questions score higher amongst the others. Same difference just to a greater degree. They check everyone's background and training but to get to know a person you want to hire for decades in just a few hours what else do you have to go on?

Originally Posted by Stratosphere

You are correct for the most part but not in his case..He was hired mid 1990's NW had for a very brief period an internal hiring process they (NWA) was primarily trying to get some people from NATCO in but they finally canned that program after an F/A got a pilot slot and could not pass training (or that is the rumor) and they kept running her through it and finally put a female check airman with her and finally washed her out and that was the end of the internal program. Of course mechanics were not popular in the pilot hiring either regardless of experience. But his dad was a senior Capt and I am sure that helped.

Originally Posted by putzin

So, since some do not have the piece of paper in hand, you automatically assume that they have not furthered themselves?

Extremely ignorant.

Originally Posted by Imapilot2

Not nearly as ignorant as extremely oversimplifying a Bachelor's degree to "the piece of paper in hand"

Originally Posted by putzin

Sounds like the second guy spent less money and made it to the big show, while you spent more and are still riding around in an RJ.

Your comparison is apples and oranges. Your simply flying an airplane, not solving the worlds problems. It a piece of paper that cost us much but does nothing except help us join the club. It speaks nothing of the character or the professionalism of the individual without one, but speaks volumes about those whining like a 5 year old with one.

You reek of entitlement.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

What the hell is a "vault letter" ? Why is it named that?

I publish my sources. Someone publish this letter, or else I say it does not exist.

Originally Posted by hitimefurl

80kts is by far the most prolific poster of this "vault letter" existing. Doug over at JetCareers says he can get a copy. One of these two is going to have some 'splainin to do unless there really is a secret letter in the Senior VP of Flight Ops office that no one can see. I heard he calls it the Voldemort Letter.

Originally Posted by nwa757

Can I just say something? As ALPA pilots we choose to outsource 50% percent of our flying, then get mad if some on the "other side" doesn't have a degree?

"It's ok if they are over there, not over here"

High horses caused this mess.

Originally Posted by paxhauler85

Funny, I don't think Tom has a degree, like so many of his pilots.

Convenient he now qualifies for a job at DL after passing up the flow a few years ago.